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To: Dutchboy88

“According to the letter, he noticed some strife amongst the Jewish and non-Jewish believers”

But as you just said, he’d never been in Rome. So how did he notice that the church in Rome was having these problems?

And you never answered the question. If Paul had nothing to do with them, why did he write them a letter, and why would they listen to a letter written to them from Paul, a man they had never seen?

“This kind of utter control by God is precisely why He does not need denominations or organizations”

Unfortunately, scripture disagrees with you. Christ himself told Peter, that he was giving him authority to bind and loose, and whatever he bound in earth would be bound in heaven.

Upon this church...

“Those who are not enslaved to a particular organization simply gather per the clear, unambiguous instructions of the Scriptures.”

They are clear. However they are clear in affirming the contrary, that Christ himself built an organization to proclaim the Gospel worldwide.

“And, I suspect God abhors abortion. But, what do you believe about obesity?”

As Paul says, everything is to be taken in moderation, for even that which is good for us is harmful in excess.


78 posted on 10/26/2011 3:08:56 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi
"But as you just said, he’d never been in Rome. So how did he notice that the church in Rome was having these problems?"

He had been advised from folks who lived there. Quite possibly by Aquila & Priscilla, Jewish believers run out of Rome in circa 49AD, whom he had met in Corinth. Acts 18:1ff. This meeting was some 5 - 7 years before the letter to Rome was written. Once A & P were back in Rome, they probably wrote him about the problem. Notice Rom. 16:3

But, clearly Paul had never been to Rome until his capture later. Rom. 1:13ff.

80 posted on 10/26/2011 3:39:06 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: BenKenobi
"Christ himself told Peter, that he was giving him authority to bind and loose, and whatever he bound in earth would be bound in heaven."

Just so the rest of us can read the passage, could you quote the part where Peter is the first pope and forms a chain of popes from that point on who are given this same ability, who speak ex cathedra, who are to be called Holy Father, who are to live in Rome and ride in a popemobile (okay this last one is unecessary)? None of these concepts, nor the several hundred others like them, are supported by Scripture.

82 posted on 10/26/2011 3:46:29 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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