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To: freejohn
The Multiverse theory is largely just a convenient plot of SciFi stories. This certainly resolves certain paradoxes of time travel; but it doesn't mean that the Multiverses really exist, and it doesn't mean that all Multiverses are instantiated. In other words, if it is possible for freejohn to be at Starbucks it doesn't mean that he is actually there.

The quantum theory describes so-called quantum foam - a sporadic appearance of particles out of nothing and their immediate return back to that nothing. It may be seen as somewhat related to this problem. A particle may appear, but we can only talk about probabilities of it appearing.

IF the multi-verse theory were correct then GOD would HAVE to exist simply because 'Scientists' say ALL things MUST take place in 'Infinite Universes'!

If that were to be true then all Universes would be identical. The whole trick is that the Multiverse represents a complete set of all possibilities. This means that in exactly 50% of them God does not exist (because this is a binary event.)

Imagine a boiling kettle. There are bubbles of steam rising up. There could be no bubbles, or one, or many. Each may call itself a Universe; together they'd be a Multiverse. First of all, what God has to do with any of these bubbles? Can inhabitants of one bubble conclude that God exists or that he does not? If God exists inside of the bubble then he is not in control of other bubbles, which undermines certain postulates. If God exists outside of the bubble (say, he is standing by the fire and watching the kettle boil) then the relation between God and any individual bubble - let alone an individual inside that bubble - is slim to none, even though God did in fact cause all these bubbles to form.

GOD is a GOD of ORDER and Not a GOD of DISORDER

How do you know that? What is order to you and to God? Are they the same? Water molecules are always in random motion; however the coffee in my cup is perfectly at rest.

I believe that Science has backed itself into a hole on this one!

The Science said nothing definite on this subject - unless you call SciFi writers scientists. But they are not scientists, they are entertainers. Only philosophers can be said to think about these matters - and they haven't proven anything in this department as far as I know.

If you can think of an experiment where inhabitants of a bubble can prove that God stands in front of the range and is making himself a cup of tea - or that he does not exist like that - then please speak up :-)

16 posted on 10/23/2011 4:56:50 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Greysard
The whole trick is that the Multiverse represents a complete set of all possibilities. This means that in exactly 50% of them God does not exist (because this is a binary event.)

Wow .. You've gone way beyond my pay grade on this one.

My GOD would Have to exist in ALL universes simply because he is or was the creator.

I can only go on what the Bible has to say and that is .. God is the beginning and the end of ALL things .. whether in the Heavens or upon the Earth!?.

24 posted on 10/23/2011 5:06:15 PM PDT by freejohn ("Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." --- Mark Twain)
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To: Greysard
The Science said nothing definite on this subject - unless you call SciFi writers scientists. But they are not scientists, they are entertainers. Only philosophers can be said to think about these matters - and they haven't proven anything in this department as far as I know.

Well science does, by inductive reasoning, agree that the universe had a beginning. That much science and theistic cosmology agree upon. The moment, just prior to the singularity,...that point in the history of the universe when time, space, energy and matter came to be....what caused it. Why would nothing suddenly create...it is not a scientific concept or a valid philosophical concept. To creeate everhything from nothing. Nothing exist at that time...science tells us....So, by inductive reasoning something, beyond time and space, some atemporal entity had to be the cause...had to make a personal decision to create from nothing...Creatio ex nihlo. To create 10 to the 78th power number of atoms calculated to exist in this universe....out of nothing....this is what Biblical scolars reference as the power of His Word. Creatio ex nihlo.

37 posted on 10/23/2011 5:19:38 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (I ouTha)
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To: Greysard

My impression is that you appreciate logic. So, in the interest of logic: order under God is defined by God. So it doesn’t make sense to think of God’s order as something that can be defined by anyone but God.

“There are bubbles of steam rising up. There could be no bubbles, or one, or many. Each may call itself a Universe”

A bubble of steam can only be an analogy for a universe, but not an actual universe.


53 posted on 10/23/2011 5:59:05 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Sarah Palin: "I'm not for sale.")
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To: Greysard
The multiverse is contradicted by the existence of the infinite improbability drive.

It kinda screws up the normalization of probabilities.

Cheers!

249 posted on 05/16/2012 9:50:13 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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