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To: Tax-chick

When and your descendants have faced systematic persecution for 1,700 years, you can tell the “Jooooz” to not pay attention to a Catholic “irrelevant nutcase” - his kind of talk led to the murder of countless Jews by “outraged” mobs.


6 posted on 10/20/2011 9:03:36 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat

He’s an irrelevant nutcase.


7 posted on 10/20/2011 9:08:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick (You could be a monthly donor, too. It's easy!)
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To: Tzfat; Tax-chick
tzfat:

I think you are misconstruing Tax-Chick's post. SSPXer Williamson is a schismatic and an irrelevant nutcase, and, incidentally an imbecile. He has been charged, I believe, by Germany for his expression of his opinions that the Holocaust never occurred. He is a source of great humiliation to his fellow schismatics of SSPX. He is not alone in that respect as their Bishop de Mallerais has a mouth on him towards John Paul II that makes Williamson seem mild as an irrelevant nutcase and imbecile. John Paul II excommunicated these two and about four others of their cult including its founder Marcel LeFebvre. They are crazies who assume that somehow pope-bashing and making a career of offensive remarks is "traditional."

Benedict XVI is the universal pastor of the Church and, although, as the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith under John Paul II, he signed off on the original excommunications as did Bernardin Cardinal Gantin of Dahomey who was then head of the Congregation for Bishops, Benedict XVI has lifted the excommunications but not (as I understand it) the Declaration of Schism (also by John Paul II). In these "discussions," Benedict XVI seems to show near infinite patience with the impertinent pretensions of these malcontents such as their current ringleader Fellay who presumes to "instruct" the pope as to the content of Catholicism in a vain attempt to "correct" the pope. One suspects that SSPX is likely to remain in the outer darkness where they appear to belong in spite of incessant breathless propaganda from them about how the Vatican will surrender to them at any moment.

I can certainly assure you that neither Tax-Chick nor I nor anyone having any business calling him/herself a Catholic on FR or elsewhere wants people of the Jewish Faith or of Jewish ancestry persecuted in the slightest, much less systematically, much less for 1700 years. I would be willing to offer leadership to an outraged mob of Catholics in your defense or that of your co-religionists if ever again you should be so persecuted and I would say confidently that we have got your back. If they want to get to you, they will have to come through us. I suspect that plenty of other Christians here and elsewhere feel the same way. One Holocaust was more than enough.

I acknowledge that there have been many shameful episodes of anti-Semitism in history and all too many by Catholics. OTOH, I am partially English and I do not defend the behavior of the likes of Henry VIII or Elizabeth I, partially German and despise Hitler and Bismarck, partially Scottish but loathe those in league with Edward I (Longshanks), partially Irish and am repulsed by the Castle Irish and those who "drank the soup" during the famine.

Give us credit that we often learn from history and that one important thing we learn is not to repeat the worst of it.

May G-d bless you and yours!

17 posted on 10/20/2011 5:02:39 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: Tzfat
Two more points.

1. We Catholics worship Jesus (a Jew) as the second Person of the Holy Trinity, i.e. as G-d. If Williamson doesn't get that, he is no Catholic and no Christian at all. Any purported Christian of whatever denomination making anti-Semitic noise is a schizophrenic, charitably speaking. Without Judaism and Jews, there could be no Christianity.

2. Jews generally have gotten a verrrry bum rap over the misbehavior of Annas and Caiphas and that little mob demanding Christ's crucifixion. One of those two, informed by Pontius Pilate that he found no guilt in Christ, replied by saying: Let His Blood be upon us and upon our children." No one died and left those two in charge of calling down punishment upon anyone but themselves personally and the mopes in the crowd who voluntarily agreed with them. They had no authority to speak for their own children much less those of all the pious Jews all over Jerusalem who were preparing their Passover Seder and attending to their ordinary obligations in life. The Blood Libel is/was an historical outrage and Christians need to concede that it is.

Again, may G-d bless you and yours!

18 posted on 10/20/2011 5:18:12 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: Tzfat
Sorry, but currently the "Laws of Attribution" are not credible given the present culture. When you personally can demonstrate you individually, and not deceased ancestors, have been persecuted for 1700 years, only then will you have the legitimacy to make the statement you made.

To claim "Victimization" suffered by ancestors even if true, merely serves to inflate the argument and society is discounting such, given the attraction to make inflated claims by so many discrete groups.

The Victimization card has been played so ofter by so many groups that it has lost its meaning.

23 posted on 10/21/2011 8:20:47 AM PDT by proe
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