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To: patlin

CHRIST/LAW
SHOULD WE SAY CHRIST vs. the LAW or CHRIST and the LAW?

1. “For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17)

2. “Therfore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh justified in His sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” (Romans 3:20)
“Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.” (Romans 3:28)
“Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea we establish the law?”

3. “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin
because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.” (Romans 6:14-15)

4. “Wherefore, my brethern, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ, that ye should be married to another, even to Him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring fruit unto God.” (Romans 7:4)

5. “But now we are delivered from the law, being dead wherin we are held, that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.” (Romans 7:6)

6. “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, comdemned sin the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:2-4)

7. “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.” (Romans 14:4)

8. “Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.” (Romans 13:10)

9. “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.” (Galatians 3:24)


4 posted on 10/17/2011 1:13:58 AM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: LetMarch
Matthew 19:17
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

John 14:15
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.

He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Acts 15:18 “Known to God from eternity are all His works.[c] 19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality,[d]from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

1 John 2:3
[ The Test of Knowing Him ] Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

1 John 2:4
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:22
And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

1 John 3:24
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome

Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified

Romans 3:Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Romans 7:1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.

I guess you did not take notice that at the beginning of Romans 7, Paul specifically stated that he was only talking to those who knew the law of adultery. It is reference to

Jeremiah 3:8
Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters

James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

One can take any line of Scripture they want; out of context by leaving out that which defines & explains the TRUTH thereby allowing the deceit to be exposed. haSatan does not care about those who believe in Messiah but dont’ believe the Torah is for them and those that believe the Torah brings justification through works regardless of belief in Messiah. haSatan is only cares about coming after & destroying those that keep the commandments AND the testimony of Yah’shua Messiah. WHY, because according to YHVH, they are dead in their sin already.

Therefore, sin that one already has the knowledge of the law that is indeed sin and has chosen to follow the doctrine of man that allows the sin to continue rather than the doctrine of Yah’shua Messiah, haSatan thinks you are already his. I wouldn't be so quick to brag about it or for that matter promote it.

It has taken me 5 years & the death of a son to suicide after he left the Christian faith for Buddhism, drugs & reincarnation. It was a terrible blow. We were very active in the church & I had taught the heresy to my children & the children of the congregation for 20 years. Our son was the shining example of knowledge of the NT according to Christianity. While all the other teenagers selected John 3:16 for their confirmation affirmation Scripture, our only son chose 1 Peter 5:5 "Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for “ God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.” 6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, 7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you."

Not quite the typical Scripture one would expect to hear from a 16 yr old. So pardon me for seeking the truth which YHVH finally revealed to me & only wishing to obey HIM and bring HIS TRUTH to the nations in order to start helping others to turn back to the TRUTH and away from the religious doctrine of men.

5 posted on 10/17/2011 2:51:28 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: LetMarch

correction: One can take any line of Scripture they want; out of context by leaving out that which defines & explains the TRUTH thereby allowing the deceit to be exposed. haSatan does not care about those who believe in Messiah but dont’ believe the Torah is for them and those that believe the Torah brings justification through works regardless of belief in Messiah. WHY, because according to YHVH, they are dead in their sin already. haSatan is only cares about coming after & destroying those that keep the commandments AND keep the testimony of Yah’shua Messiah.


6 posted on 10/17/2011 2:57:38 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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