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To: FatherofFive
What part of 'build my church' don't you understand?

I understand it just fine

However, you read “church” because that is what the English transliterated it to be from Roman Latin & what your religious dcotrine tells you it is, but the orginal Greek calls it ecclesia, assembly, the “gathering of people together in one place for a specific purpose” either religious or political.

The ROCK is the ROCK that brought forth the living water in Exodus 17 which prophesied of the living water that came from Yah'shua when the Roman soldier pierced Him in the side.

The TORAH is the ROCK and that ROCK called TORAH is Yah’shua Messiah. The two are one in the same, NEVER to be separated. One shoouldn't take things so literal as Yah'shua said (Mt 13)

“Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

‘ Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I shouldheal them.’

16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; 17 for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

49 posted on 10/15/2011 3:45:08 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin
but the orginal Greek calls it ecclesia, assembly, the “gathering of people together in one place for a specific purpose” either religious or political.

This makes no sense in the light of Scripture.

“But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15 The pillar and foundation of truth is far more than a collection of people with a specific purpose. Paul tells us Christ established his Church.

And how would you make sense of the following?

"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. "I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Mat 81:15-18

Where do you take your concerns? Makes no sense whatsoever without the visible Church Christ established with teaching authority, and the power to loose and bind. Christians can’t even agree on what the meaning of the word “is” is.

The Church of the apostles was definitely one: "There is one body and one spirit," Paul wrote, "just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all" (Eph. 4:4-5). Paul linked this unity to the Church's common Eucharistic bread: "Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of one bread" (1 Cor. 10:17). Jesus had promised at the outset that "there would be one flock, one shepherd" (John 10:16).

Think about it. Would Christ establish his Church – to teach the way, the truth – and allow thousands of interpretation as to what is the truth? If the Church doesn’t teach the Truth, Christ is a liar. If He would allow multiple versions of Truth, he’d be an idiot. I don’t believe He is either.

54 posted on 10/16/2011 8:27:55 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: patlin

However, you read “church” because that is what the English transliterated it to be from Roman Latin & what your religious dcotrine tells you it is, but the orginal Greek calls it ecclesia, assembly, the “gathering of people together in one place for a specific purpose” either religious or political.

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On that you are correct.


69 posted on 10/16/2011 1:38:59 PM PDT by reaganaut (Romney IS Obama - just 'white and delightsome' 2 Nephi 30:6)
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