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When a statement fails to satisfy itself (i.e., to conform to its own criteria of validity or acceptability), it is self-refuting…. Consider some examples. “I cannot say a word in English” is self-refuting when uttered in English. “I do not exist” is self-refuting, for one must exist to utter it. The claim “there are no truths” is self-refuting. If it is false, then it is false. But is it is true, then it is false as well, for in that case there would be no truths, including the statement itself.
1 posted on 08/26/2011 9:18:59 PM PDT by SeanG200
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To: SeanG200

I can’t tell from the excerpt if Vincent Bugliosi is a proponent or an opponent of agnosticism. Does it matter though? Does anybody who reads “Helter Skelter” (Bugliosi’s only claim to fame) really give a crap what his religious beliefs are?

I didn’t think so.


2 posted on 08/26/2011 9:48:33 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Perry 2012! A Conservative who can win!)
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My pantheist friends which include Buddhists and Neopagans believe God is knowable because from their beliefs God is inherent in the blades of grass and within themselves. They do believe that some things are a mystery but that discovering the divinity is one of their functions in life. My Agnostic friends, who are not pantheists are the ones who claim that God is unknowable, which I think is a cop- out.


3 posted on 08/26/2011 10:01:57 PM PDT by dog breath
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Ultimately, if you could know for certain that there is a God, then you have no need for faith. Faith in God requires that you cannot know for certain there is a God - you simply believe it must be true.


4 posted on 08/26/2011 10:10:50 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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How about I say that no one has stated any positive assertion regarding the existence of god convincingly to my satisfaction? That is a logical statement that requires no further proof since it is subjective and it makes no impact upon the beliefs others hold.


8 posted on 08/26/2011 11:02:27 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: SeanG200
Bugliosi as a lawyer should understand ...logic vs reason...to be beyond doubt vs beyond reasonable doubt

Logic tell me that while no matter how many witness' testify to event, unless I was was a witness to event I can not be absolutely perfectly sure it is true...

But by reason we can accept something is it true to degrees of certainty

In the case on God as creator of all ...as no one was a witness other then God...

By logic I can not be beyond doubt ....but by reason and faith I can

I must accept or reject but by pure logic I can not prove

11 posted on 08/27/2011 1:25:48 AM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: SeanG200

I moved from agnostic to believer years ago. It is not possible to quantify God, but whatever you believe, you must admit that He at least exists as a “concept.” Just as real as a circle, love, or the soul of a man.


14 posted on 08/27/2011 6:36:37 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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