Posted on 08/13/2011 12:49:58 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
Xerxes did not order the rebuilding of the temple, Cyrus did in 538 B.C. when he decreed that any Jewish exiles who wanted to could return to Palestine.
Ezra 1:1-2, “Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying, thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.”
The Persian king Artaxerxes Longimanus ordered the rebuilding of Jerusalem app. 444 B.C. in fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy,
Dan 9:25, “Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.”
If we are going to maintain any credibility with our pre-trib. position we should be accurate with the scripture and history.
Everyone attributes this to the antichrist my question is if he has destroyed the city and sanctuary how can he do scarifies and such for three and ahalf years into his perposed covenant?
Here is what we know. The Jewish calendars used a 360-day year; 4 69 weeks of 360-day years totals 173,880 days. In effect, Gabriel told Daniel that the interval between the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem until the presentation of the Messiah as King would be 173,880 days. The commandment to restore and build Jerusalem was given by Artaxerxes Longimanus on March 14, 445 B.C. The day that Christ presented Himself as King was April 6, 32 A.D.
When we examine the period between March 14, 445 B.C. and April 6, 32 A.D., and correct for leap years, we discover that it is 173,880 days exactly, to the very day.
Now, can you give me evidence that, if we are to count the beginning of the 70 weeks from 538 B.C., instead of 444 B.C., the days to Christ entering Jerusalem would add up precisely as they do when we count from 444 B.C., using the Biblically correct 360 day years?
The Scripture there is stating that after 69 "sevens", or 483 years, had passed, the Messiah (Jesus) would be "cut off", or crucified, and after that the people from whom the Antichrist will come would destroy Jerusalem and the temple.
The Antichrist is the one who puts and end to sacrifices three and a half years into the Tribulation. He does not destroy a city and a sanctuary; he will come from the same people who destroyed the city and the sanctuary in 70AD.
“Now, can you give me evidence that, if we are to count the beginning of the 70 weeks from 538 B.C., instead of 444 B.C.”
I’m not contesting the fact that the dating started in 444 B.C.. What I am contesting is the writer’s statement that it was “Xerxes commandment to restore the Temple on March 5, 444 BC”. No responsible historian holds to that position. Xerxes ordered Jerusalem rebuilt and according to the scripture, and that was the signal for the prophetic clock to restart, not the rebuilding of the temple.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
This verse talks about Jesus coming and being cut off and the Rome destroying the city and sanctuary. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Spoken of in verse 26
verse 27 This verse jumps back to Jesus who confirmed the covenant for 3.5 years of ministry to the Jewish people. After three and one half years upon His crucified the final sacrifice is given. Because Isreal did not repent God gave them 40 years (same time period in the wilderness) to repent and then He caused the temple to be destroyed because it was an abomination to Him because of the final sacrifice of Christ.
Have you considered that all the times in Revelations is a period of 3.5 years? That is the final 1/2 week.
The only temple left to be built is the temple of Ezekial in the millennial reign of Christ.
In Matthew 24:15-21 Jesus said this event will kick off the 3.5 year Great Tribulation, and in Matthew 24:30 said His 2nd Coming would take place shortly after it ends, so we know this final seven year period is still in our future. So it seems pretty clear the angel said that Jesus would die after the end of 69 sevens, but before the beginning of the 70th and final seven.
In order to make it work, proponents of this view claim that Jesus is the coming ruler of Daniel 9:27 and that his ministry occurred during the first half of the 70th seven. They say it was His death that put an end to Temple sacrifice in the middle of the final seven.
Here are the problems. First the rules of grammar require that the coming ruler be descended from the people who destroyed the city and sanctuary. In other words, He has to come from some part of the Roman Empire. Second, the passage clearly states that there was one period of seven years left after the Lord’s execution. And third it means they believe the Lord’s death was the Abomination of Desolation.
There’s only ever been one Abomination of Desolation and that was when Antiochus Epiphanes placed a statue of the Greek God Zeus in the Jerusalem Temple and required everyone to worship it on pain of death. It happened in 168 BC and resulted in the Maccabean revolt. There’s no way in which the Lord’s sacrificial death can be compared to that pagan affront to God.
I don’t believe there’s any way in which the Lord’s ministry occupied the first half of Daniel’s 70th Week. There are still seven years left to run in the prophecy Daniel was given.
I believe the answer is that we believers will be raptured, but Bibles won't be. It will be the survival guide to those left that must endure to the end to be saved. Hebrews through Revelation, I believe, were written specifically to these people going through the Tribulation.
The Abomination of Desolation is the Jews resuming their sacrifices? You'll need to provide the supporting Scripture for that. Without the Scripture to validate that assertion, it looks like a replacement theology pep - rally chant.
There is no 7 years of tribulation and to prove that show me in revelation a seven year period.
Not every prophecy is in the book of Revelation. Here is a great site that lays it all out with the supporting Scriptures.
Of course, if you disagree, you'll provide the Scripture to support your denial of the Scripture that's on the site. That way we can contrast and compare.
http://ad2004.com/prophecytruths/Articles/Prophecy/7yrsproof.html
Hi GiovannaNicoletta, Your link diagram puts the rapture about 3/4 of the way into the final 7 years at the sixth seal?
Are you a pretriber?
They do a good job of proving Biblically that there is a literal, seven year Tribulation, the details of which are described in the Book of Revelation.
I've always said that Christians can have disagreements over the timing of the Rapture as long as no Scripture is denied in the process of coming to a conclusion. The Scripture on the fact of the Tribulation actually occurring, and lasting seven years as given at the site, is correct so I'll just say there is hope for the person who put up the page to "evolve" in their Rapture beliefs :).
Absolutely.
I evolved, maybe that is the process? To me I the division between The church and Israel is key and I do not like mixing them together. This is where all the confusion comes in understanding end time events IMHO.
Daniel 8
23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise. 24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy those who are mighty, the holy people. 25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.
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