Posted on 06/08/2011 1:58:47 AM PDT by Cronos
**TENSIONS have surfaced at the Presbyterian General Assembly **
Well, what do you know about that?
Not all of us vote on doctrine. Some of us, my own Fundamentalist branch included, refuse to put doctrine up to a vote. Church leadership and politics may be open to a vote, but Scripture isn’t open to democracy. I understand what you’re getting at and even agree with you’re sentiment, but please be careful about lumping us all together, not all Protestants are as demented as the ones mentioned in the article.
>> When a Catholic priest has a sexual relationship with a sixteen-year-old boy, FRoman Catholics will defend the priest and the Catholic church, saying that it was consensual, <<
That’s a lie.
>> that the boy seduced him, <<
That’s another lie.
>> that it was legal, <<
Another lie.
>> that the priest does not have a pathological nor a mental disorder, <<
When this is argued on FR, it’s to say that the priest has no excuse, so he is to be condemned, in contrast to the mainstream/humanistic psychologists who have in the past told bishops that they are “cured” and can resume their ministry.
>> that it’s not pedophilia, <<
That’s right. It isn’t. It’s garden-variety homosexuality when the victims are 16. Pedophilia is a sickness, albeit not one to be tolerated or excused. Homosexual predation is simply evil. And that’s what is going on the Catholic church.
Please refer us to any post where a "FRoman Cathoic" has done such.
Catholics want their priests to be free to have their trysts, without interference or complaint.
Careful. Your imagination is getting out of control.
Understood. My branch voted on doctrine so I hope you understand my concerns. I think it’s appalling and I voted with my feet.
Good for you folks for sticking to your guns.
What is your churches’ view on contraception?
Come see this obnoxious flame bait about Catholics and specifically about Catholics on Free Republic. Unfortunately, sickening flame bait like this appears to be sanctioned here.
Hear, hear! I will happily stand beside my Roman Catholic and Orthodox brothers and sisters on such a matter.
We have our disagreements, to be sure - but they are family matters.
I don't stop loving my physical brother because I disagree with him -- even if I think he's dead wrong. How could I do less for my brothers in Christ?
And whose policies get Alex Murphy and Gamecock all upset?
Just because I haven't posted in a couple of days doesn't mean I condone whatever it is you are trying to pin on conservative Presbyterians (read: not the PCUSA) in America based on the actions of the Church of Scotland (CoS).
It is clear that the CoS, the PCUSA and the Roman Catholic Church are all cut from the same apostate bolt of cloth.
The problem with catholics is they all pretty much make generalizations about Protestants.
I’ve been both...
Honestly I’m not sure. It’s never come up to my knowledge. I know my own views on the subject, (I wouldn’t condemn another Christian for using it, but I think it treads a little too much into God’s prerogative over life and death) but the views are mine and not sanctioned by my denomination so keep that in mind.
Ok thanks. Just curious.
I see the two of them as connected with each other. The first to adopt contraception were the Episcopalians back in ‘34.
I wasn't aware of that fact, but I agree that the two are related. I suspect that the root behind them is pride, given that both are centered around the idea that the individual should have more control over their life and death than God. I'm not sure I could prove it as it's just a hunch at this point, but I wouldn't be surprised if that were to be the case.
In spite of impressive search and retrieve capabilities I'll bet he gets flaccid Google syndrome when called upon to perform. Seems he only really gets excited and able to perform when there is a discussion of priests and altar boys.
>> It is clear that the CoS, the PCUSA and the Roman Catholic Church are all cut from the same apostate bolt of cloth <<
Naw. It’s a problem with the Calvinist doctrine. Once saved, always saved, irresistable grace, Total depravity. Works great when the church leaders are revolting from something they see as corrupt. But the next generation, the same old sins begin to emerge and there’s no room for prevening grace, concupiscence, or progressive sanctification. The church leaders presume they are saved, and so therefore their sins must not be sins, and so they justify their wickedness.
Right now the PCA is feeding on all those dropping out from the PCUSA. Eventually that flow will reduce to a trickle as the last Christians have departed. And then it will take one generation before the PCA is be condoning single-sex polygamy with farm animals. And then maybe 10 or fifteen percent of the PCA will splinter off to form some new denomination.
No, that’s true. It’s not deliberate. When there’s thousands of Protestant denominations which don’t agree on anything, it’s awfully difficult for Catholics to learn which groups believe what. We’re used to being able to look up and find out a doctrinal position on things.
Catholics know the Church teaches that divorce is wrong, Protestants believe ???
Catholics know the Church teaches the real, physical presence of God in the Eucharist, supplanting the substance of bread, Protestants believe ???
Catholics know the Church teaches that masturbation and pornography are wrong, Protestants believe ???
Catholics know that the Church teaches abortion is always wrong and therefore should not be legal, Protestants believe ???
The “First Baptist” church in Massachusetts is American Baptist and therefore teaches abortion is groovy; the “First Baptist” church in Missouri is Southern Baptist and therefore teaches abortion is evil, used to believe that it was no matter for the government to be involved in. Clarendon Baptist isn’t even Baptist anymore, but used to be Baptist, while Oak Hill Community Church is Baptist, even though it doesn’t call itself Baptist. So when all these churches oppose the Catholic teaching, it really shouldn’t be surprising that Catholics get it wrong which church is teaching what.
What should be surprising is that the all these Baptist churches (and I’m only using them as an example) are attacking from the left and right, instead of trying to correct their Baptist brethren.
Again, I’m only using Baptists as an example; the truth is they seem to waste comparably little time attacking Catholics.
Ben, folks like you who come to enrich our catholic family teach us about the pitfalls that can happen. I think we should all learn from these various mistakes.
They won't share with you their denomination because "ooh you're making it personal" -- on a RF where they feel free to bash our beliefs
They won't even tell you what they themselves believe and if you ask, they ignore you or say "ooh you're making it personal"
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