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To: stfassisi; HarleyD; Natural Law
Voris is not the speaker for all Catholic TV and at times can be “over the top” Traditional Catholics are mis-characterized as being anti Democracy, but that is not the case. The great Pope Leo XIII wrote about Christian Democracy in 1901. This is what we would want to see.

But a month ago, you wrote this:

[in reply to a question re "what is your ideal political system?"] My personal opinion is that a Catholic monarchy would work best if it could be applied today. This article pretty much sums up what I believe...Liberty: The God that Failed
-- FReeper stfassisi, April 1, 2011

140 posted on 05/03/2011 11:42:44 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Dear God, whose name I do not know - thank you for my life. I forgot how BIG...thank you. Thank you.)
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To: Alex Murphy; HarleyD; Natural Law

Monarchy can’t be applied today and sadly our democratic system is failing us because true liberty was not defined .

That’s just reality ,dear brother.


141 posted on 05/03/2011 11:48:54 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Alex Murphy; HarleyD; Natural Law

“”Liberty: The God that Failed””

Alex, here is an excerpt from the article.What part do you think is wrong?

Excerpt...
In sum, the god of Liberty has imposed upon Western civilization what Pope Leo XIII succinctly denounced as “that new conception of law which was not merely previously unknown, but was at variance on many points with not only the Christian, but even the natural law.”[viii] This new conception of law expressed itself in utterly revolutionary principles which contemporary man, abysmally ignorant of his own Christian heritage, now unquestioningly accepts as the received wisdom of the ages:

[T]hat all are equal in the control of their life; that each one is so far his own master as to be in no sense under the rule of any other individual; that each is free to think on every subject just as he may choose, and to do whatever he may like to do; that no man has any right to rule over other men….that the judgment of each one’s conscience is independent of all law; that the most unrestrained opinions may be openly expressed as to the practice or omission of divine worship; and that every one has unbounded license to think whatever he chooses and to publish abroad whatever he thinks…[ix]

That these principles would destroy the foundations of our civilization was self-evident. Only forty years after Leo, Pope Pius XI observed that “With God and Jesus Christ, excluded from political life, with authority derived not from God but from man, the very basis of that authority has been taken away, because the chief reason of the distinction between ruler and subject has been eliminated. The result is that human society is tottering to its fall, because it has no longer a secure and solid foundation.”[x] But perhaps not even Leo and Pius could have imagined the full extent of the civilizational debacle Liberty has wrought: not only the abortion holocaust, but an epidemic of divorce, the universal practice of contraception, the depopulation of Western nations, the relentless advance of homosexualism, the destruction of the family, the spread of orgiastic consumerism, the debasement of art, music and architecture, and finally the emergence of a veritable neo-pagan social order in which Christians increasingly face persecution for mere utterances against the orthodoxy of “liberty.


142 posted on 05/03/2011 12:05:40 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Alex Murphy; stfassisi; HarleyD
"But a month ago, you wrote this:

Our history is replete with examples of just how "democratic" our Calvinist brothers and sisters have been. They overwhelming denied voting and participation rights to persons based upon race, gender, literacy, and property ownership. They are all for a system in which the actions of others can be dictated, providing they are doing the dictating.

Given the choice between a system, as Voris describes, in which the unvirtuous can vote and the rights of all are subject to the will of the mob, and a system administered by those sworn to obeying Gods laws I would still choose the later, but not in preference to a system obedient to God's will that each are endowed with inalienable rights by God.

143 posted on 05/03/2011 12:07:38 PM PDT by Natural Law
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