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To: dangus
Logically, if the Borgias were really thought of as typical of popes, they wouldn't be notorious; they would be common.

Hyperbole is fine in friendly (or not so friendly perhaps) discussions but logic dictates that most popes are a good deal more highly regarded than the Borgias.

31 posted on 04/01/2011 5:53:29 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Oh, you’re giving too much credit. Let’s say that the Borgias are the grain (or, a grain, since there were other bad apples) of truth behind legends which were used to indiscriminately characterize all medieval and renaissance popes.


39 posted on 04/02/2011 10:32:57 AM PDT by dangus
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To: muir_redwoods

Oh, you’re giving too much credit. Let’s say that the Borgias are the grain (or, a grain, since there were other bad apples) of truth behind legends which were used to indiscriminately characterize all medieval and renaissance popes.

CASE IN POINT: Do you think the miniseries will mention the Pope Calixtus, the Borgia who weakened the temporal power of the papacy by irritating the kings of Europe because he lived an austere lifestyle? Or Saint Francis Borgia, founder of Gregorian University, teacher of hundreds of missionaries to entire globe, miarculous exorcist and humble mustic? No, the subtitle is “the original crime family.”

Truth is, there’s a great classical tragedy behind the fall of Alexander VI, and it might make for great drama. But great drama makes for lousy propaganda.


40 posted on 04/02/2011 10:43:47 AM PDT by dangus
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(Just to be clear, by the fall of Alexander VI, I do mean his perdition.)


41 posted on 04/02/2011 10:44:27 AM PDT by dangus
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To: muir_redwoods

Actually: There is a third Borgia pope. Again, quite virtuous: Innocent X.


42 posted on 04/02/2011 10:51:32 AM PDT by dangus
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