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To: Dr. Eckleburg; MHGinTN
Thank you for your comment. Mark presumes a lot.

Especially John 3:16.

Mark is a self-identified Roman Catholic who believes in an "alter Christus" and a "co-redeemer" and other "mediators."

Ephesians 3:16-19.

Consequently Mark denounces Trinitarian Christians who kneel to none but Christ while he prays to and bows before and "falls down to the stock of a tree."

Since you don't kneel at all, does that mean that I do not denounce you?

Ephesians 3:14For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

Paul knelt to God the Father. Does this mean that you know more than Paul?

But let us go back to Paul for some more of his actual wisdom, not snippets tortured beyond their meaning.

1 Corinthians 1:17 7 8 For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with the wisdom of human eloquence, so that the cross of Christ might not be emptied of its meaning. Ephesians 2: 14 8 For he is our peace, he who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of enmity, through his flesh, 15 abolishing the law with its commandments and legal claims, that he might create in himself one new person 9 in place of the two, thus establishing peace, 16 and might reconcile both with God, in one body, through the cross, putting that enmity to death by it.

Paul though more highly of the Cross than stock of a tree. Didn't Isaiah get the memo? Or are the Reformed torturing snippets of Scripture again?

Philippians 3: 17 11 Join with others in being imitators of me, 12 brothers, and observe those who thus conduct themselves according to the model you have in us. 18 For many, as I have often told you and now tell you even in tears, conduct themselves as enemies of the cross of Christ.

Enemies of the Cross of Christ? Paul thinks a whole lot more highly of the Cross than the Reformed do.

Galatians 6:14 But may I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which 10 the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

Boast in the Cross of Jesus. The Cross of Jesus shows what He did for us in His Passion and we Christians venerate that. A simple stock of wood is nothing and means nothing. But His extreme act, which no man can do is worthy of more than dismissals using snippets of Isaiah.

653 posted on 02/25/2011 8:25:59 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
Deflection, Mark. That's all your post is.

No one is admonishing anyone from kneeling before the Triune God.

We are decrying men who kneel to statues of Mary and dead people who may or may not now be alive in heaven, and assorted popes and priests and other transients who are not God, but mere men.

Read Isaiah, Mark. He is not talking about the cross. He is talking about making idols out of wood and kneeling to them and serving them as if they could hear their prayers.

Only God hears and answers our prayers.

"Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.

He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:

And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?

He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand? -- Isaiah 44:15-20


654 posted on 03/05/2011 12:38:21 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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