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To: butterdezillion

Sadly, eyewitness reports are sometimes unreliable. Many folks think they saw what they saw, but when everything shakes out, they were mistaken. I don’t EVER take immediate witness or media statements at face value, because too often, those reports are either totally wrong, or substantially wrong.


15 posted on 01/12/2011 4:36:06 PM PST by SuziQ
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I expect that of eyewitness accounts, but I don’t expect changing stories that are supposedly based on documents. The documents aren’t supposed to change. And the dates that documents were found and by whom isn’t supposed to change.

When was this letter from Giffords found and by whom? By the sheriff’s dept “hours after the shooting”, or by the FBI yesterday? When was the envelope saying “I planned ahead”, “assassination”, and “Giffords” found, and by whom? If it was found a different time, then by whom? I thought all of this was said to be found in the parents’ safe on Saturday. The FBI agent’s affidavit only mentioned the envelope, and if a letter from Giffords had been found with “Die Bitch” and “Die Cops” scrawled on it in the defendant’s handwriting it was bizarre for the affidavit to not include that.

And for federal investigators to assume that ONLY Giffords was the intended target is irresponsible - especially if, as they claim, they have documentation (enough to include the “fact” in an affidavit) that Judge Roll had planned to attend the event and talk about such-and-such with Giffords. The stories not matching up on whether anybody else knew that Judge Roll planned to be there is further reason to keep the option (of Roll being an additional target) on the table.

Something else that is being ignored by everybody is Loughner’s interest in mind control and those videos he posted. Nobody wants to stick their neck out and ask if Loughner could have been the subject of mind control, because it just seems like too far out of a “conspiracy theory”.

I have not checked out the documentation for this guy’s claims regarding his own life or the programs he talks about. I would not expect there to be much documentation on an operation such as this, but I remember there being some references to these kinds of operations in some official documents.

So I’m giving this with a disclaimer that I don’t know if these claims are accurate. But FWIW: http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/2011/01/08/anatomy-of-an-assassination-attempt-gabrielle-giffords/

I found that site after googling to try to find out any facts about where in the anatomy Judge Roll was shot. This link was on around the 15th page of Google responses, IIRC. And this guy wants to know the same kinds of details that I would want to know - AND which any legitimate investigation would NEED to know before ruling out Judge Roll as an intended target.

In looking at motives they better be doing a physical examination of Loughner to check for possible mind control avenues on his person, as well as any contacts he may have had both now and when his personality seemed to change, when he started isolating himself from his friends.

I don’t know what happened. But I’m not ready to write anything off as impossible, and I don’t like feeling as if the investigation itself could be compromised because of politics. From personal experience, I know that the FBI is not above lying for political reasons. And the investigation of the Vince Foster death does NOT speak well of the FBI being beyond political manipulation.

The FBI is under the jurisdiction of AG Eric Holder; that should tell us all we need to know.


18 posted on 01/12/2011 5:09:36 PM PST by butterdezillion
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