[bibletruth]

All know the word "Lucifer" as another name for Satan. The word "Lucifer" is found one time in the King James Bible.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

But what does the NIV say?

In the NIV, Lucifer is the "morning star". Now in the NIV, the KJV word "Lucifer" is identified as the "morning star". See for yourself:

Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

Therefore from the NIV Bible, the "morning star" is a negative, evil figure. Is this a correct rendering for the devil? Satan was fallen from heaven. He was cast down to the earth in Revelation. Can we find the "morning star" anywhere else in the NIV? Certainly! The following passages in the NIV shows the "morning star" as Jesus Christ! Note these verses carefully: NIV shows the "morning star" as Jesus Christ! Moreover, if the NIV can in some verses find the word "morning star" as Jesus Christ; then we would assume that the NIV can find Satan and Lucifer! Here is the verses from the NIV with the word "morning star" which identify it as Jesus Christ.

NIV: Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.

NIV: 2 Peter 1:19 And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.

NIV: Revelation 2:28 I will also give him the morning star.

So the NIV successfully finds the the word "morning star" as Jesus Christ in several verses. But what about what we just observed inside the NIV when it called the fallen creature of Isaiah 14:12 the "morning star"? Since the NIV already found the word "morning star" as Jesus Christ in several verses, I would think that the translators had enough smarts to recognize that "morning star" in Isaiah 14:12 is NOT JESUS CHRIST! Therefore, from this gross error, we can only conclude that the NIV translation (I.E., commentary translation) means that Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV!

We conclude that the NIV means that Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV!

Heavenly Father, please intercede and help us from the gross errors found in the NIV and help people to find a much needed suitable translation of your perfect Word of God - Since you God are perfect; the Godhead is perfect; Jesus Christ is perfect; and Jesus Christ is called "the Word of God", then your Word in the Bible must be as accurate as you are perfect. In Christ Jesus name we pray. Amen.

[count-your-change]

Isa. 14:12 is directed to the king of Babylon, no proper name of “Lucifer” is there and “morning star” is just one way to translate the term.

Is this the best you can do?

[right way right]

In context.

This whole section in Isaiah 14 is a taunt at the King of Babylon.(also King of Assyria)Words can mean different things in different contexts.

This is one of those prophesies that is of differing theological beliefs and yours is not one of them.

Those kings of nations he has already conquered are taunting him as he has arrived in hell.

(Is it the king of Babylon or Satan?)
I believe they are taunting the king as Satan and taunting his own belief that he was a bright morning star.

[Cronos]

you're right and wrong. Right -- the verse should read as

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations?

This is as it is in the Douay-Rheims authorized translation which is correct.

"O Lucifer"... O day star. All this, according to the letter, is spoken of the king of Babylon. It may also be applied, in a spiritual sense, to Lucifer the prince of devils, who was created a bright angel, but fell by pride and rebellion against God.

[ravenwolf]

All know the word “Lucifer” as another name for Satan. The word “Lucifer” is found one time in the King James Bible.

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I doubt if the N.I.V. is trying to make Jesus and Satan the same, they are just changing a word here or there which can be legally used, another change they made was slept to sleeping in 1 cor 15 v 20

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K.J.V. 1 cor 15 v 20
But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.

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many other versions have done the same thing.

Any one can see that it changes the whole concept.

Also in 1 cor ch 11 the n.i.v. and other versions has changed the head coverings from hair to veils or to hats or other head coverings.

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K.J.V.1 cor ch 11 v 5
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

1cr 11:14
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

1Cr 11:15
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for [her] hair is given her for a covering.

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N.I.V. version v5
But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the
same thing as if she had had her head shaved.

v 6
For if a woman does not have her head veiled, she may as well have her hair cut off. But if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should wear a veil.

v 7
A man, on the other hand, should not cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man.

13
Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head unveiled?
14
Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears his hair long it is a disgrace to him,
15
whereas if a woman has long hair it is her glory, because long hair has been given (her) for a covering?

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In other words if you read v,s 13, 14, 15 in the N.I.V. and other versions you can plainly see that they contradict the prior verses. any one can see that it is talking about hair, not veils or hats.

Another thing is plain to see, if these other versions said exactly the same, why would anyone buy them? it would be millions of dollars every year that they would not get, its all about MONEY, MONEY, and more MONEY.

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rev 17: 5
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

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I don,t know, but sure it makes me wonder.

[Uri’el-2012]

We conclude that the NIV means that Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV!

In your thirty years of exegesis,
have you ever considered
that the anti-messiah might want to use
one of the titles of Yah'shua ?

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[MHGinTN]

Blame Jerome ...

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[aruanan]

We conclude that the NIV means that Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV!

Here is what you're doing:

All A is B
All C is B
Therefore, All A is C.

You're engaging in the fallacy of the undistributed middle.

Here is a valid syllogism:

All A is B
All B is C
Therefore, all A is C.

Let's see how it works out in real life:

All first class mail is delivered by U.S. Post Office mail carriers
All U.S. Post Office mail carriers are employees of the Federal Government.
Therefore, all first class mail is delivered by employees of the Federal Government.

What you are doing above is this:

Your doctor is a U.S. citizen
I am a U.S. citizen
Therefore, I am your doctor.

Or, as you say,

Lucifer is described by the NIV as the morning star.
Jesus is described by the NIV as the morning star.
Therefore, the NIV says Lucifer is Jesus.

Put down that faulty syllogism and step slowly away from it. Your exegesis will immediately become less defective.

[aruanan]

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

In the NIV, Lucifer is the "morning star". Now in the NIV, the KJV word "Lucifer" is identified as the "morning star". See for yourself:

Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

By the way, the word translated from Hebrew into Greek as "Lucifer" means "morning star" or "day star." It's like complaining that someone is referred to as a bearer of Christ when everyone really knows his name is Christopher.

[verga]

ROFLOL I will bet that the same people that condemn you for drawing this analogy are the same one that will be able to demonstrate beyond the shadow of a doubt that the “Catholic Mary” is the pagan “Queen of Heaven.”

[thesaleboat]

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