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Some Big Change from the Pope on Condom Use? (In a word, no!)
Lisa Graas ^ | 11/20/2010 | Lisa Graas

Posted on 11/20/2010 12:59:42 PM PST by Pyro7480

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1 posted on 11/20/2010 12:59:49 PM PST by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 11/20/2010 1:01:11 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480
Pope: condoms can be justified in some cases [such as for male prostitutes]

3 posted on 11/20/2010 1:04:02 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: OldDeckHand; Houghton M.; Gamecock

Ping!


4 posted on 11/20/2010 1:05:38 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

Catholic ping!


5 posted on 11/20/2010 1:08:36 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; metmom; Quix; Alex Murphy

Why is the Pope hiding behind a women?

All this time we have been told that there needs to be a Pope to teach the faith, after all Scripture is too hard for us to understand. Now he needs a women to translate what he meant to say?


6 posted on 11/20/2010 1:15:49 PM PST by Gamecock ( Christianity is not the movement from vice to virtue, but from virtue to Grace.)
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To: Gamecock
Why is the Pope hiding behind a women?

LOL! Just LOL!

Sometimes, absurdity should be left to stand on its own

7 posted on 11/20/2010 1:18:02 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

It is immoral for a male prostitute to give anal sex to a man.

It is no more immoral for that same male prostitute to also wear a condom, and it might help with some diseases.

There is no attempt to or affect of avoiding pregnancy because the man receiving can’t get pregnant, and the seed will be spilled/wasted regardless of whether a condom is used.

It is not a new development to say that such a homosexual male protitute may wear a condom, but it is new for a pope to discuss the topic and to suggest that male homosexual condom use may make their immoral act less immoral (less selfish).


8 posted on 11/20/2010 1:20:03 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Pyro7480

If someone is familiar with Thomistic ethics, this is not a surprise. If the reason that you use a condom is to prevent disease, and not for prevention of conception, it is permissible. Thomistic ethics does not consider secondary factors or secondary consequences. For instance, it does not consider the issue of homosexuality in this decision, but only the prevention of disease. It is a clever way of dealing with moral issues, but it is also the reason that Thomistic ethics is strongly criticized.


9 posted on 11/20/2010 1:34:27 PM PST by Nosterrex
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That is very much the heart of Catholicism and allows for changing doctrine ..That is how one can have homosexual priests and still teach that homosexuality is a damning sin


10 posted on 11/20/2010 1:42:25 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Pyro7480; PadreL; Morpheus2009; saveliberty; fabrizio; Civitas2010; Radagast the Fool; ...
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11 posted on 11/20/2010 1:51:10 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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"Now he needs a women to translate what he meant to say?"

Maybe we all needs a women. I'se a women an' I'se sure a lot of pippil here at fripperpublic needs me.

Piping hot new interpretations available daily from your favorite Mrs. Jiggery-Popery!

Over and out!

12 posted on 11/20/2010 2:17:46 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin' " . --- Yogi Berra)
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To: Pyro7480

Sadly, FoxNews is about to get this story wrong.


13 posted on 11/20/2010 2:18:00 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: RnMomof7

You wrote:

“That is very much the heart of Catholicism and allows for changing doctrine ..That is how one can have homosexual priests and still teach that homosexuality is a damning sin”

That comments smacks of the worst kind of religious ignorance on your part. Every Church and sect has sinners - including yours. Does your sect teach against sin? Do you still have sinners in your sect anyway? Does that mean your sect changed teachings? No.

Anti-Catholicism = ignorance.


14 posted on 11/20/2010 2:20:39 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: RnMomof7

Wow, isn’t it something that humans are still sinful, yet knowing full well that sin is sin.


15 posted on 11/20/2010 2:22:36 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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That comments smacks of the worst kind of religious ignorance on your part.

Ignorance in the RF? Reminds me of Aunt Pittypat in "Gone With the Wind"

As the fires began to rage, she said,

"Yankees in Georgia!? How did they ever get in?"


16 posted on 11/20/2010 2:29:12 PM PST by don-o (Wait. What?)
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To: vladimir998
That comments smacks of the worst kind of religious ignorance on your part. Every Church and sect has sinners - including yours. Does your sect teach against sin? Do you still have sinners in your sect anyway? Does that mean your sect changed teachings? No.

Indeed.. but we call sin sin..we do not obfuscate the issue.

17 posted on 11/20/2010 2:37:35 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: RnMomof7

You wrote:

“Indeed.. but we call sin sin..we do not obfuscate the issue.”

So do we. You are the one obfuscating. You called homosexuality a sin. Wouldn’t it be homosexual sex that is the sin? Homosexual attraction is a disorder. The sin is acting on the impulses not experiencing the impulses themselves. This clear example of you now knowing what you’re talking about only highlights that original ignorance all the more.

Anti-Catholicism = Ignorance.


18 posted on 11/20/2010 2:42:38 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: RnMomof7
We call sin sin, too.

For your convenience...

(Sigh.)

19 posted on 11/20/2010 2:46:15 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin' " . --- Yogi Berra)
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To: vladimir998
So do we. You are the one obfuscating. You called homosexuality a sin. Wouldn’t it be homosexual sex that is the sin? Homosexual attraction is a disorder. The sin is acting on the impulses not experiencing the impulses themselves.
This clear example of you now knowing what you’re talking about only highlights that original ignorance all the more.

This is an example of scriptural ignorance.

Calling homosexual "attraction" not a sin but a disorder, begins the error . Sin is sin

Christ says it is not necessary to ACT on the impulse for it to be sin. Just the thought or the attraction is the sin

Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

The root of sin is in our heart.. God looks at and judges the heart.

Homosexual "attraction " is an abomination before God, not just a "disorder"

20 posted on 11/20/2010 2:52:24 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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