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1 posted on 10/18/2010 6:20:23 PM PDT by Jaded
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To: Jaded

Window washers will be sad


2 posted on 10/18/2010 6:22:13 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom REMEMBER FREE REPUBLIC IN YOUR WILL. I DID)
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To: Jaded

The real story here is that all megachurches are suffering, and if this economy lingers on for another twelve months, then I’d say that half of all megachurches will fail by that point. The curious thing...our regular churches...will continue on, with a dent here or there...and maybe that says something for what is going to anchor a church down in rough times.


5 posted on 10/18/2010 6:26:58 PM PDT by pepsionice
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"The church had been negotiating a repayment plan with vendors, "

Negotiations broke down when the creditors refused the church's suggestion that they consider the debt a tithe.

yitbos

6 posted on 10/18/2010 6:27:08 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: Jaded

Hopefully this means Schuller will stop preaching.


7 posted on 10/18/2010 6:27:08 PM PDT by Taggart_D
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To: Jaded

How sad. And it’s all pretty much due to internecine warfare. Unfortunately, it happens often when parents who were called by God think they can arbitrarily pass the Commission on to their children.


8 posted on 10/18/2010 6:28:30 PM PDT by hampdenkid
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To: Jaded

Something about a house built upon sand or something........


9 posted on 10/18/2010 6:38:34 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: Jaded

Hard to sell the prosperity gospel when people are going broke.

Perhaps people will turn to the real good news.


10 posted on 10/18/2010 6:38:35 PM PDT by Gamecock ( Christianity is not the movement from vice to virtue, but from virtue to Grace.)
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To: Jaded

What happened to all that Possibility preaching? Suddenly the New Age mumbo-jumbo just doesn’t cut it anymore.


13 posted on 10/18/2010 6:40:15 PM PDT by AnnGora (Let 'er rip, Tater Chip!)
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To: Jaded

We’re broke, but we feel very positive about it.

I wonder if Dr Shuler has led a single soul to eternal life.


14 posted on 10/18/2010 6:52:50 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Jaded

I believe in avoiding costly middlemen and dealing directly with God.


16 posted on 10/18/2010 6:58:21 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% white, 50% black, 100% red)
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To: Jaded

From Wikipedia (Not one book on Christ):

Schuller is the author of numerous self-help books including:

* Way To The Good Life (1963)
* Move Ahead With Possibility Thinking (1967)
* Self-Love (1975)
* You Can Be The Person You Want To Be (1976)
* Self-Esteem: The New Reformation (1982)
* Tough Times Never Last but Tough People Do (1983), Thomas Nelson ISBN 978-0840-75287-1
* Toughminded Faith for Tenderhearted People (1979), Thomas Nelson, ISBN 0-8407-5329-2
* Prayer: My Soul’s Adventure with God (1995), Doubleday ISBN 978-0385-48505-0
* Living Positively One Day At A Time (1986)
* My Journey: From An Iowa Farm To A Cathedral Of Dreams (2001)
* Hours of Power (2004)
* Don’t Throw Away Tomorrow (2005)
* Success is never ending,failure is never final (1990)


17 posted on 10/18/2010 7:05:09 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Jaded
Christianity as cheesy, feel-good, money-grubbing entertainment.

If there is a Christian God, I can't imagine why he would buy into such garbage.

Some aspects of Christianity appeal to me strongly. But the behavior of many self-defined Christians--including some here at FR--makes the religion come off as repulsive.

18 posted on 10/18/2010 7:15:06 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Jaded

Name it and file a claim it.


20 posted on 10/18/2010 7:37:16 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: Jaded; All
I only attend small churches with few believers; which I have found that the truth of Gods Grace today is sorely only understood by so few. I only attend after fully reading their statement of faith; and I have visited on-line many mega-church web sites to review their statement of faith and then follow the writings of these often false teachers.

First point: 1 Timothy 2:12-13 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Men should be teachers, not women. Churches that promote women as teachers have brought in deceiving spirits of false doctrines. If you do not believe me, then check out the scriptures in Romans through Philemon: these are the doctrines and scriptures for the church today.

1 Timothy 4 reads: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron...

The apostle Paul through Christ, speaks volumes of truth here to Timothy and us today. Let us learn from Paul and Christ, not doctrines of devils which are so often taught at these mega-churches, simply to raise money and self fame; and not to preach Christ and His correct doctrines rightly. Avoid such teachers.

22 posted on 10/18/2010 7:54:43 PM PDT by bibletruth
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To: Jaded
Maybe they can melt it down and 500,000 sets of high quality glassware.



Meanwhile, Rev Schuller can cohost the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. They'll be back in black in no time.
23 posted on 10/18/2010 7:55:58 PM PDT by dr_who
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The Hour Of Power will now be The Fifteen Minutes of Sincere Effort.


28 posted on 10/18/2010 8:09:01 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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“Truly well said. All the Bakkers, Swaggerts, Robertsons,.... the whole money grubbing bunch do not serve Christianity in the manner Christ intended.”

But they have really nice hair!


29 posted on 10/18/2010 8:10:58 PM PDT by HChampagne (I am not an AARP member and never will be.)
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31 posted on 10/18/2010 8:24:49 PM PDT by kcvl
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Crystal Cathedral, the megachurch birthplace of the televangelist show "Hour of Power," filed for bankruptcy Monday in Southern California after struggling to emerge from debt that exceeds $43 million. In addition to a $36 million mortgage, the Orange County-based church owes $7.5 million to several hundred vendors for services ranging from advertising to the use of live animals in Easter and Christmas services.

Once one of the nation's most popular televangelists, the Rev. Robert H. Schuller is watching his life's work crumble. His son and recent successor, the Rev. Robert A. Schuller, has abruptly resigned as senior pastor of the Crystal Cathedral. The shimmering, glass-walled megachurch is home to the "Hour of Power" broadcast, an evangelism staple that's been on the air for more than three decades.

The church is in financial turmoil: It plans to sell more than $65 million worth of its Orange County property to pay off debt. Revenue dropped by nearly $5 million last year, according to a recent letter from the elder Schuller to elite donors....

....The Crystal Cathedral blames the recession for its woes. But it's clear that the elder Schuller's carefully orchestrated leadership transition, planned over a decade, has stumbled badly.

Related threads:
Mark Driscoll to Preach at Crystal Cathedral, ‘Hour of Power’
Passing the baton [Coral Ridge Presbyterian, Focus on the Family, and Hour of Power]
[2009] Man Kills Himself In Schuller's Crystal Cathedral
Televangelism Empire In Chaos Over Family Split
Crystal Cathedral TV preacher removed by father
What is Robert Schuller 'rethinking'?
Robert Schuller & Son on Larry King on Gay Marriage
The "Gospel" According to Schuller
Schuller's Son to Run Crystal Cathedral
[2004] Report: Shots Fired In Crystal Cathedral [C.C. Orchestra conductor, Johnnie Carl kills self]

36 posted on 10/18/2010 9:15:19 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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I remember when the CC was going to be built, this magazine called "The Wittenburg Door" had this piece called "What to do with 6 million dollars." On the one side, there was a caption "You can spend it this way," and a list with things like "send so many guys in third world countries to seminary," "found a Bible school in South America," "dig so many wells in Africa," stuff like that, and the total cost was 6 million dollars. On the other side it said, "Or you can spend it this way: Build a big glass church. Total cost: 6 million dollars." I thought to myself, 'what a waste,' and have never been there, nor have I ever bought anything associated with Mr. Schuller.
37 posted on 10/18/2010 9:22:38 PM PDT by Othniel (There is no god named Allah, and Mohammed is its false prophet.)
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