[circlecity]

The government is currently not doing its job, as it actively encourages many forms of evildoing such as homosexuality, divorce, mass immigration, and so on. Since most Protestants do not give much thought to exactly how the government is to do its job, my call is for us also to look into this area, but without neglecting the proper job of the church.”

This is where we just disagree. I would say show me one single society in the history of the world where there was a moral ordered society as a result of getting the right leaders in place. I've studied history extensively and I don't know of a single one. Political power always has and always will corrupt everyting (and everyone) it touches. There is no political soultion to the evil in society and never has been. Other than when he was chasing moneychangers out of the temple when else did Jesus show genuine anger? When he confronted the political leaders of his society - "Woe to you pharisees". These were the supposedly the Holiest men in the community and were the leaders. Jesus condemned them bitterly as being corrupted as a result of thier power. Relying on your leaders for social change will always just give you a new set of Pharisees. Generation after generation has tried your approach and it has never provided a lasting change.

What has been is what will be,
and what has been done is what will be done,
and there is nothing new
Under the sun.
Ecc 1:9

[Alan Roebuck]

Circlecity, you wrote

“…show me one single society in the history of the world where there was a moral ordered society as a result of getting the right leaders in place.”

and

“Relying on your leaders for social change will always just give you a new set of Pharisees. Generation after generation has tried your approach and it has never provided a lasting change”

You act as if having a properly-ordered society impossible. Obviously having a perfectly just society is impossible, but that is not my goal. My goal is something like what existed in America until roughly the 1950’s: the leaders of society (governmental and non-governmental) generally were supportive of proper morality, did not seek—as our leaders currently do—radically disruptive change in the form of leftist crusading, and generally allowed private individuals and institutions to live what we would now call a conservative lifestyle. Not a perfect society, but one that functioned reasonably well. Since this system existed for most of America’s history, it is obviously possible.

The civil government’s job is not to make men righteous. That is the Church’s job. Don’t fault civil government for never doing what it was never intended to do.