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1 posted on 05/17/2010 8:58:40 PM PDT by GonzoII
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“If a Catholic formally cooperates in the procurement of an abortion, they are automatically excommunicated by that action. “

Pelosi?


2 posted on 05/17/2010 9:02:24 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: GonzoII

Time to make some examples of people


3 posted on 05/17/2010 9:06:04 PM PDT by PGR88
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Someone must have ratted them out.
Good.


6 posted on 05/17/2010 9:14:22 PM PDT by MayfairFly ("Your total ignorance of that which you profess to teach merits the death penalty.")
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7 posted on 05/17/2010 9:29:40 PM PDT by notaliberal (It's the Constitution---- Stupid!)
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To: GonzoII

Seems to me like the effort would be better spent on stopping the millions of elective abortions which are undertaken every year.

Nancy Pelosi should be excommunicated before these hospital workers.


13 posted on 05/17/2010 9:59:06 PM PDT by nj26 (Say NO to Socialism! Government is NOT the Answer.)
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To: GonzoII
I wonder if this case was not a set up to begin with. I have noticed a strange undercurrent in the Phoenix diocese that seems to reflect the state of the Church worldwide. There is a renewed attack from within the ranks of C/catholics who seek to secularize the Church.

Many of the priests,lay leaders and pew sitters have in their artful and crafty ways sent out signals that they have no intention of following the Pope or the Bishops (Bishop Olmsted is one of the best Bishops)as they seek to follow Christ back to the Father,Who made us in His image.

The more slippery slopes they can set us on,the happier they are,some of them seem almost giddy as they find more and more issues that pit Catholics against prevailing social "concerns". They believe that most people will ally themselves with the opinions of the propagandized minions of the New World Order robots and the Church will self destruct and leave them in charge of the money and men that they then can control.

As I said in the beginning I believe this was a set up,we have a lot of hospitals within a two or three mile radius that do perform abortions,why St. Joseph's,why now? I am anxious to see the particulars,I can almost bet on a few things.

54 posted on 05/18/2010 11:13:03 AM PDT by saradippity
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63 posted on 05/18/2010 5:30:28 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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From a thread posted yesterday: [the emphasis is mine-ELS]
Dr. Paul A. Byrne, Director of Neonatology and Pediatrics at St. Charles Mercy Hospital in Toledo, Ohio, disputes the claim that an abortion is ever a procedure necessary to save the life of the mother, or carries less risk than birth.

In an interview with LifeSiteNews, Dr. Byrne said, “I don’t know of any [situation where abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother].

“I know that a lot of people talk about these things, but I don’t know of any. The principle always is preserve and protect the life of the mother and the baby.”

Byrne has the distinction of being a pioneer in the field of neonatology, beginning his work in the field in 1963 and becoming a board-certified neonatologist in 1975. He invented one of the first oxygen masks for babies, an incubator monitor, and a blood-pressure tester for premature babies, which he and a colleague adapted from the finger blood pressure checkers used for astronauts.

Byrne emphasized that he was not commentating on what the woman’s particular treatment should have been under the circumstances, given that she is not his patient.

“But given just pulmonary hypertension, the answer is no” to abortion, said Byrne.

Byrne emphasized that the unborn child at 11 weeks gestation would have a negligible impact on the woman’s cardiovascular system. He said that pregnancy in the first and second trimesters would not expose a woman with even severe pulmonary hypertension – which puts stress on the heart and the longs – to any serious danger.

A pregnant mother’s cardiovascular system does have “major increases,” but they only happen “in the last three months of pregnancy,” Byrne explained.

The point of fetal viability is estimated at anywhere between 21 - 24 weeks, he indicated, at which point a baby can artificially be delivered and have a good shot at surviving. In the meantime the mother’s pulmonary hypertension could be treated, even by such simple things as eliminating salt from her diet, exercising, or losing weight.

“It’s not going to be any extra stress on the mother that she can’t stand,” said Byrne. “Eventually you get to where the baby gets big enough that the baby can live outside the uterus and you don’t have to do an abortion.”

“I am only aware of good things happening by doing that. I am not aware of anything bad happening to the mother because the baby was allowed to live.”

“The only reason to kill the baby at 11 weeks is because it is smaller,” which makes the abortion easier to perform, he said, not because the mother’s life is in immediate danger.

“I’ve done this work just about as long as neonatology has existed,” said Byrne. “The key is we must protect and preserve life, and we have to do that from conception to the natural end.”


80 posted on 05/19/2010 10:18:14 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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