Benedict is guilty! guilty! guilty!

Catholic and Enjoying It ^ | April 5, 2010 | Mark Shea

[netmilsmom]

>>Okay. I have visited a number of schism websites and find them universally as distasteful as a walk through the Oneness Pentecostal swamp.<<

You and I are in full agreement which is why I preferred not to link.

[netmilsmom]

Hey JA! How are you?

[Cardhu]

It was from Twitter. You posted it from Twitter.

You keep insisting is was from Twitter because you do not understand what the properties of a photograph mean. They show the place where the picture resides to be downloaded. If you right click on the picture on this thread it will show Tinypics and if I right click on the photo on the “site that is committed to defend the perennial Magisterium of Holy Mother Church and Catholic traditions.” It will show where it resides for that site.

And how about naming the “site that is committed to defend the perennial Magisterium of Holy Mother Church and Catholic traditions.” It is for Catholics to decide if it is a worthy site or not, not for anti-Catholics. Who among Catholics would post that as the “observed modus operandi of similar occurrences in 2005”?

Once again you reach the wrong conclusion, our good friend MarkBsnr seemed to be confused by the pompous language in the original as to think that the Universal Decalogue of Impunity was an instruction from the Holy See rather than something published in a Portuguese Magazine Isto é (ie. that is) on November 16th 2005. The “observed modus operandi of similar occurrences in 2005” was my translation, without being too graphic, of the ten stages of denial. It should not come as a surprise to anyone that MO has been in constant use for centuries.

And how about naming the “site that is committed to defend the perennial Magisterium of Holy Mother Church and Catholic traditions.”

Because I am evil and want to play with you a little longer. Also you have been very difficult with poor Cardi.

Now Judith you will be pleased by this announcement ”...independent, clergy-free commission headed by a woman to suggest ways to strengthen church guidelines for dealing with sexual abuse.

Did you ever think you would see the day when a woman would be preferred over a man in your church?

Apropos of today’s news

Norwegian bishop resigned over child molestation,

Norwegian Catholic Church announced Wednesday that a former bishop who resigned last year had admitted to child molestation in the city of Trondheim.

The German-born Bishop Georg Mueller, who resigned in June 2009 and moved to Rome, has been relieved of all pastoral duties and is seeking therapy, his successor said in a statement, according to the Associated Press.

"Mueller has been divested of his authority, and he won't be allowed to work in a church again," said Bishop Bernt Eidsvig, Mueller's replacement, as quoted by Adresseavisen, the Trondheim daily newspaper. "He will never again be given a position in the church."

You see that is how it should be done.

There is also this:

In Austria, Cardinal Christophe Schoenborn was to celebrate a Holy Week Mass on Wednesday evening for abuse victims in what is being billed as a "sign of repentance" just days before Easter.

Schoenborn was named Vienna archbishop in 1995, tasked to clean up the mess in the diocese after Cardinal Hans Hermann Groer was forced to resign as archbishop over allegations he molested youths at a monastery in the 1970s.

Several years later, the church was again rocked by the discovery of up to 40,000 lurid images at a seminary in St. Poelten, 50 miles (80 kilometers) west of Vienna, including child porn and photos of young candidates for the priesthood fondling each other and their older religious instructors.

Amid renewed outrage over Europe's sexual abuse scandals, Schoenborn announced over the weekend the creation of an independent, clergy-free commission headed by a woman to suggest ways to strengthen church guidelines for dealing with sexual abuse.

Meanwhile, the Vatican has yet to address directly another child sex abuse scandal in Europe bearing similarities to a case in Wisconsin involving deaf children.

Dozens of deaf men and women in Italy are alleging that priests and others in the Catholic Church sexually assaulted them over several years.

The Associated Press reported Friday that only now, a year after the case became public, is the Vatican directing the diocese to interview the alleged victims to hear the complaints.

In a signed statement last year, the 67 former pupils at a school for the deaf in Verona described sexual abuse, pedophilia and corporal punishment from the 1950s to the 1980s.

They named 24 priests, church brothers and lay religious men at the Antonio Provolo Institute for the Deaf.

OOPs I nearly forgot:

A Pedophiles Diary

Scroll down to the bottom.

Now say you are sorry for all those bad things you said. :)

Goodnight all

[TSgt]

I actually had a FReeper apologize to me today after a similar incident where they called me a liar and I proved them wrong.

I hope you get the same respect.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2488382/posts?page=30#30

[MarkBsnr]

It will show where it resides for that site.

How about you brave it out and post that site for us.

Once again you reach the wrong conclusion, our good friend MarkBsnr seemed to be confused by the pompous language in the original as to think that the Universal Decalogue of Impunity was an instruction from the Holy See rather than something published in a Portuguese Magazine Isto é (ie. that is) on November 16th 2005.

You did not say that it was the creation of an antiCatholic site and published in a rather out of the way magazine that I did not find in my Google search. You published it with words to the effect that this was proof that the Church protected pedophile priests.

The “observed modus operandi of similar occurrences in 2005” was my translation, without being too graphic, of the ten stages of denial. It should not come as a surprise to anyone that MO has been in constant use for centuries.

Observed by whom? What proof do you have that even if true, that this has been in constant use for centuries?

Goodnight all

You have listed four accusations of the Church without attribution and then left us a link at the website http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/a01p_DiaryBrazilianPriest.html.

I went out to find out about this tradition in action group. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2006/winter/the-dirty-dozen?page=0,5 says that:

TRADITION IN ACTION Los Angeles, Calif. Tradition in Action was formed in 1995 by Marian Horvat and is dedicated to creating "counter-revolutionaries" -- people willing to fight changes in the church, starting at the time of the French Revolution, that were supposedly wrought by Masons, Jews, and "other seminal secret forces." Horvat was joined in 1996 by a Brazilian church scholar named Atila Sinke Guimarães, who like Horvat was a former leader in the far-right Catholic anti-abortion group, the American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, which threw them out in 1998. Tradition in Action is particularly angry with the late Pope John Paul II, arguing that before him the Catholic Church "was vigilant for 2,000 years against the enmity of the synagogue." Horvat helped Guimarães launch the 1997 English edition of his In the Murky Waters of Vatican II, an attack on the Vatican II reforms. Guimarães moved to the United States to join Horvat in 1999, and has been here ever since. Guimarães has also been writing for John Vennari's Catholic Family News since 1998, and for Michael Matt's The Remnant since 1999. Guimarães, Vennari, Matt and Horvat collaborated in the 2000 anti-Vatican book We Resist You to the Face, in which the four authors "respectfully suspend obedience to the Pope" .

[MarkBsnr]

I actually had a FReeper apologize to me today after a similar incident where they called me a liar and I proved them wrong.

I am not saying liar. I am saying that the posting was from an antiCatholic group and has no attribution or proof. I am asking for proofs. So far, I have none. Perhaps you may ask your friend to endeavour to produce some. My Google searches have not produced any.

[TSgt]

It says it was sourced from: Universal Decalogue of Impunity” published by Istoé newsmagazine, November 16, 2005

Or were you speaking of Fr. Tarcisio Spricigo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarcisio_Tadeu_Spricigo

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2005_07_12/2005_11_21_Allen_SexAbuse.htm

[Judith Anne]

Trash, all trash.

Now Judith you will be pleased by this announcement ”...independent, clergy-free commission headed by a woman to suggest ways to strengthen church guidelines for dealing with sexual abuse.

Insane. That neither pleases me nor interests me.

[MarkBsnr]

I am unable to confirm that it was published by Istoe Magazine. I am also unable to find out who published it and what the authenticity of the article is. Do you have this information?

Do you have any further proof than Wikipedia - a reader written encyclopedia? The NCR article - in a rather anti Catholic magazine - does not mention anything of the claims that you and these other articles have made.

I will ask again: do you guys have any proofs? Or are you just recirculating antiCatholic hate articles like a certain Jack that should not be mentioned?

[Judith Anne]

You may think you have found an American site where you can post, with impunity, your anti-Catholic schismatic screed.

All you have done is educate true Catholics about your existence, so that we are ever more wary of the enemy of the Church in all his foul guises.

[terycarl]

did you make it through the third grade....Catholocism is a perfectly correct spelling of the practice of being a Catholic. ...of course you probably wouldn’t understand either...so sad

[terycarl]

STOP STOP STOP STOP... it’s only April and I have erred...first time this year...Catholicism is apparently correct....shouldn’t be, but is...you don’t have to know how to spell it to practice it..which is more important??? be a Catholic, embrace the religion...that is all that is important on earth!!!

[TSgt]

From the NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER

http://www.nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/word112505.htm

Another disedifying chapter in the sexual abuse crisis opened last week, with revelations in a Brazilian newsmagazine called Istoè that four Brazilian priests in recent months have been charged with abuse of minors; three have been criminally convicted, while a fourth was arrested in November in a hotel room in Northeastern Brazil with four young boys. In that case, the priest has denied charges of molestation.

Istoè stated that 10 Brazilian priests are currently behind bars for abuse of minors, with another 40 missing.

The magazine also reported that in at least two instances, priests eventually convicted of sexual abuse had previously been transferred from one assignment to another after initial complaints surfaced. According to the same report, one emeritus bishop has been accused of sexual misconduct by a young priest whom he ordained.

The leading Italian daily Corriere della Sera suggested that the reports show sexual abuse by priests is not a uniquely American phenomenon.

Perhaps the most spectacular finding is that two priests already convicted of abuse left diaries of their experiences.

Fr. Tarcisio Tadeu Spricigo, 48, convicted in 2003 of the sexual abuse of a nine-year-old boy, listed 10 guidelines for identifying potential victims. They included:

1. “Age: 7, 8, 9 or 10”
2. “Sex: Male”
3. “Social condition: poor”
4. “Family condition: preferably a boy without a father, living with a single mother or a sister”
5. “Where to find him: in the streets, in schools or in families”
6. “How to lure him: guitar lessons, or service as an altar boy or girl”
7. “Very important to keep the family at a distance”
8. “Possibilities: an affectionate young man, calm, without inhibitions, missing a father, without moralisms”
9. “Find out what pleases the young man and, departing from that premise, lead him to give everything to me”
10. “How to present yourself: always certain, serious, dominating, like a father, never ask questions, always have certainties”

The diary, according to the Istoè report, came to light after Spricigo accidentally gave it to a religious sister, who turned it over to police.

Likewise, Fr. Alfieri Edoardo Bompani, 45, was convicted of abuse in 2004 and sentenced to 93 years in jail, considered a symbolic gesture since the maximum sentence under Brazilian law is 30 years. Quotes from his diary provided in the Istoè account include lurid, and sometimes repugnant, sexual details.

Finally, the magazine also reported that Pope Benedict XVI sent a commission to Brazil in September to investigate the reports of abuse. That aspect of the story, however, cannot be confirmed.

The logical Vatican agency to have impaneled the commission would be the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which has responsibility for cases of sexual abuse of minors by priests under a February 2001 ruling from Pope John Paul II. A Vatican source told NCR on Nov. 21, however, that the congregation was not aware of any commission sent to Brazil.

A spokesperson for the Brazilian bishops’ conference told NCR Nov. 21 that the conference was also not aware of any such commission.

[MarkBsnr]

Very good, thank you. According to this article, the 10 points are written in a diary of a priest, and not in an official document of the Church. Nor created in an antiCatholic website - the claim of supporting Catholicism by that bunch is like saying that the Westboro Baptist Church supports Christianity. So somebody put these ten points into a format to look like Church documentation or teachings to fool the masses.

Much obliged, Tech Sergeant.