Posted on 03/21/2010 3:03:29 PM PDT by NYer
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
***Read the Ctripture attentively and you will leave the Protestant heresies behind.***
I’m sorry, were you trying to be SERIOUS??? Do you even know how long I have been in the scriptures? Do you know my education? Do you know anything about me?
Isn’t it sad how much evil has been done in the name of Christ?
Why yes, yes it is.
And yet there are those who drop words like "heretic" and pretend that such words do not have histories written in blood.
Applause.
The sola scriptura belief is not supported by verses such as this. John 14 is Jesus addressing his Church officials. John 15 continues. And John 16 and 17 finishes His address to His disciples before His Passion.
The Holy Spirit will direct the Church; it is not a Church of mere words; it is a Church of men directed by God. I bow to you for your selection. It is very good.
But is your certification, or your criteria for certification, the same as saying "God certified it."?
are you still in doubt?
Oh no. The canon was certified by God through His Church. But I don't think you agree with this, so I asked the question.
Very good; it is to your credit that you realize that it is not just the violence of the Reformers upon each other that is important, but the violence of the Church against the heretics.
So man has the free will choice of whether to answer or not answer, yes?
If so, then the follow-up is: Is this something man "does," and therefore contradicting your statement that: "You don’t do ANYTHING."?
And there are those who wallow in their heresies, indeed, proclaim them with trumpet blasts, and pretend that such beliefs do not carry their eternal consequences.
And the Church did this of its own volition? Please.
Not at all. If God calls, you WILL answer. You have no choice in the matter.
Dude, do you answer the phone before it rings? No, you answer after someone calls you and you cannot, with your will (free or not) make that person call you.
Could you describe the various Councils beginning with Carthage that decided on the Canon of Scripture and its justifications, in each Council?
Hello Irish; been a long time.
We cannot answer the phone before it rings, but we sure can decide whether to answer it after it does ring. Or we can decide to unplug it and refuse to receive another call. Or we can wait for the next call. It’s up to us.
Thanks but I thought I was actually addressing your question of why Jesus did not leave us his own writings. He said the Holy Spirit would reveal and bring back to mind his words of truth to those that would be writing the NT.
I was not quoting these to support sola scriptura - not that there aren't plenty that do support it. :o)
So God is sitting up there somewhere saying,”Come on, man, PICK UP THE STUPID PHONE! Rats, well, let me try this number...”
I don’t think so. God calls whom he will, and unless you are more powerful than him, you will answer the call.
Mark, it’s like this. God knows his children, and he will not let ONE of them perish. If he did, he wouldn’t be much of a God, would he?
And yes, it’s nice to hear from you again. I’m glad I picked up the phone... so to speak :>)
Well, my Mom claims that she and my sisters have some kind of ESP since, we will be thinking of each other for days, then one or the other calls, and we say, "I knew you were going to call me, I've been thinking about you!" ;o)
Well, then I'm back to my original question: "How do you reconcile your beliefs with free will?"
I think that would be a misunderstanding of how Christ works through His Church.
He was actually addressing the new officials of the Church to be before they witnesses His Passion.
I was not quoting these to support sola scriptura - not that there aren't plenty that do support it. :o)
I understand that; I was just making the point that these weren't; and there really aren't sufficient NT verses that do. The overwhelming evidence is that the Church is sola, not Scripture.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.