Scripture Alone Disproves "Scripture Alone" (Sola Scriptura)

Scripture Catholic ^ | n/a | John Salza

[PugetSoundSoldier]

Great. Then you agree the scriptures are the final arbiter in determining theological matters, correct?

[Petronski]

Nope.

[Judith Anne]

Great. Then you agree the scriptures are the final arbiter in determining theological matters, correct?

Nope. Catholics are not bound by artificial prottie constraints.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

I see. So then you believe there are theological truths outside the Bible that apply to Christians.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

So the Bible does not contain all that is required to be a Christian? Does the tradition of the Catholic Church fill in what is missing?

[Safrguns]

Strictly from the Bible, please explain what the ripping of the veil represents,

I asked Pyro first. I am curious about his answer before I give mine. then explain the purpose of the Apostles that Christ chose.

Well, I cannot explain why he chose Judas, whom Jesus referred to as a devil. neither can I explain why He chose Peter... who ended up denying Christ 3 times to save his own skin.

Come to think of it, I cannot find much at all in scripture which establishes the "worthiness" of the apostles themselves apart from that work which Jesus Himself perfected in them.

When Christ said “It is finished,” what is “it?”

His mission.... His sacrifice... His debt payment for the sins of mankind... His fulfillment of prophecy... His life on earth... His reconciliation of man to God... many possible variations of "why He came"... including the reason why the veil was torn... but All related to his overall purpose.

[Judith Anne]

Which translation of the Bible? Whose version?

[Petronski]

CCC ¶82 As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, "does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence."⁴⁴

[Petronski]

...the 66 books we know today as the bible...

Your Bible has been redacted.

[Judith Anne]

Hiya!

[Judith Anne]

Here it is Lent, and the protties are once again doing their best to show God and the lurkers how perfect they are, and how distinct from Catholics their church is. Problem is, they have 20,000 versions of “perfect.”

*yawn*

[beefree]

Mortal humans are imperfect, including those in leadership, therefore, I believe this:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5

[Petronski]

So naturally you never ask anyone to pray for you, nor do you usurp the role of Christ Jesus by praying for others, correct?

[ajr276]

That works for me. :-)

[beefree]

Why would a thread like this one, clearing poking the “protties” in the eye, be posted, if the poster wasn’t trying to “show God and the lurkers how perfect (Catholics) are,?” How about giving up stirring up division for lent?

[Safrguns]

A fine Christian church, the Ethiopian Orthodox, has a Bible with more than 66 books, not including some of the Apocrypha. Are you saying their Bible is uninspired and of the Devil?

Don't put words in my mouth. I can find error in the doctrines of just about any denomination you care to offer... including my own denomination of southern baptist. This is not the same to suggest whether or not a particular writing was inspired by God.... and neither the same thing to suggest that a particular inspired writing belongs in the canon of scripture.

I believe that God was directly involved in the perfect work of consolidating the 66 books. If He was not, then I do not believe that the bible as we know it would have stood the test of time... which it has.

I have not read the Apocrypha, so I cannot give specific testimony as to whether or not it is inspired.

I am not familiar with Ethiopian Orthodoxy... so I cannot single out those doctrines which may be in error.

However, because they reportedly revere books outside of the canon of scripture as I know it, I have good reason to scrutinize their doctrines even more.

Scripture cannot be broken... (It will not contradict itself)
Therefore, if you present a book as scripture, and I can find even a single inconsistency with what I already know to be scripture, then I can appropriately reject it as such.

As for "being of the Devil", if it is not from God, then it must be "of the Devil" If it is not the truth, then it is a lie. If it is not ON, then it must be OFF.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

Doesn’t answer the question. Are there Christian teachings to be found outside the Bible, teachings required for salvation?

[Petronski]

Doesn’t answer the question.

Of course it does.

[beefree]

You have my permission to pray for me, if you like.

[Pyro7480]

Why would a thread like this one, clearing poking the “protties” in the eye, be posted, if the poster wasn’t trying to “show God and the lurkers how perfect (Catholics) are,?” How about giving up stirring up division for lent?

Since you are talking about me, I'll respond. The intention, as I announced above, is not to "poke the 'protties' in the eye," nor was it to "show God and the lurkers how perfect Catholis are."

My intention is how "some continually INSIST that Catholics are wrong, and the Catholics are continually, in response, playing defense. I thought it was proper time to go on offensive for once."