The Manhattan Declaration (why Pastor John Macarthur won't sign it.)

Shepherd's Fellowship ^ | 11/24/09 | John Macarthur

[elpadre]

I doubt it will have any effect on these out-of-control politicians, but nevertheless - I feel better having done so like thumbing your nose at someone

[nanetteclaret]

I find it amazing that of your last 50 posts, only 3 were on threads not having to do with the Catholic Church. I think you are obsessed with the Church and are actually fascinated by it. Otherwise, why would you spend so much time discussing it?

[EternalVigilance]

I wasn’t asking about the politicians. I honestly would like to know what signers think their signature demands of them.

[Petronski]

The motivating essence of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church by all accounts seems to be destruction of the Catholic Church.

[ladyL]

Calm down now Gamecock, you did not find a heretic. Religious people love coming up against a real heretic but ahh fate would have it that I am a fundamental literalist. All I am saying is you must know and understand the Gospel Jesus preached before you could ever understand what Paul was saying.

[nanetteclaret]

I can’t imagine anything more boring than to research a church you don’t agree with and spend all your time discussing it. Methinks they doth protest too much - either that or they don’t have a life!

[RnMomof7]

yes it is ...

[RnMomof7]

Well to some one redeemer is as good as another ...

[Gamecock]

Paul is saying what Jesus is saying.

[RnMomof7]

The motivating essence of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church by all accounts seems to be destruction of the Catholic Church.

Do you think so really??

I am not OPC, but I do believe that God is sovereign in salvation,from beginning to end.

So believing that He has an elect people that are saved or will be saved..where the non elect go to church is of no importance to me.

Catholic, Mormon,Universalist , Jehovah Witness, ..or any protestant church. Their churches and practices can never save them.
If it makes them good neighbors and makes them happy..it is all good for me.

What I do keep in mind is that God does have a people here that need to hear the gospel because God has ordained it as the way they will be brought to repentance and faith..

Perhaps today is the day God will open their eyes and ears so they can hear the gospel and come.

[Petronski]

S...where the non elect go to church is of no importance to me.

That does not seem to be true of those Orthodox Presbyterian Calvinists who dedicate vast swaths of their posting time lying about the Catholic Church.

[RnMomof7]

How are they doing that?

Are they comparing scripture to the practices or doctrine of the Catholic church?

If so that seems to be a pretty straight forward means of evangelization ...and might drive an elect man to the scriptures to look it up, thereby allowing the Holy Spirit to work through the scripture

[Petronski]

Are they comparing scripture to the practices or doctrine of the Catholic Church?

No. They are comparing their own personal interpretation of Scripture to an inaccurate--almost unrecognizable--caricature of the practices or doctrines of the Catholic Church.

It's a deviously dishonest practice...writ large.

[RnMomof7]

No. They are comparing their own personal interpretation of Scripture to an inaccurate--almost unrecognizable--caricature of the practices or doctrines of the Catholic Church.

If they are not describing an actual doctrine, belief or practice..it should be easy to dispute or debate..

[Petronski]

...it should be easy to dispute or debate...

It is.

Over and over and over.

What motivates someone to become a serial liar about another church not their own?

Smells like hatred to me. Or at least obsession/fetishism.

[RnMomof7]

Or a desire to bring as many to Christ as will come :)

[Petronski]

Lies about the Catholic Church bring one to Christ?

[RnMomof7]

One mans truth might be another mans lies..

Give me an example...

[Petronski]

LIE: Christ is sacrificed again and again at every Catholic Mass.

[Petronski]

LIE: The Catholic Church teaches a works-based salvation.