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Firstly the claim of j.smith translating anything is false, if any thing he claims that God tough smiths peep stone which smith had used to con people as a money digger or by a set of interpreters that some time later were called the urim and thummim (looked like glasses with stone lens) showed in the CORRECT and PROPER English from the “reformed Egyptian” on the plates.

The plates them selves need not even be in the room to do this, the few “witnesses” of the plates are all relatives by blood or law (save 1) and either never saw the plates except when covered or not with there physical eyes but with the “eyes of faith”.

His next attempt at claiming to be a translator is the book of Abraham which has been proved to be farcical attempt at best as the images he put in the book are quite common and NOT in any way related to what j.smtih claimed, but not to be deterred smith then makes his Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar text which the lds church thought had been lost but sadly for them was found again, it has no relationship to Egyptian or any other language just more con-artistry from a con man.

Lastly he was given some “brass plates” found in kinderhook, he translated some of them and planed on using them to make a second book on the scale of the book of mormon.... but two things prevented him from doing so 1 he used the Nauvoo Legion to destroy an opposition newspaper and was arrested taken to the cartridge jail and while awaiting trial for treason was killed. The second was that they were made up by some local farmers and were fake as a 3 dollar bill.

For more info on smith as “translator” read BY his own hand on papyrus by Larson
Complete Text of book
http://www.irr.org/MIT/bhoh-pt1.html
also http://www.biblequery.org/OtherBeliefs/Mormonism/BookOfAbraham.htm

Kinderhook plates
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/kinderhookplates.htm
http://mormonthink.com/kinderhookweb.htm

Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar
For $18 you can get a copy and compare it to realy Ancient Egyptian ! http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no100.htm#Alphabet

18 posted on 11/24/2009 10:06:21 PM PST by Bidimus1
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To: Bidimus1
***The second was that they were made up by some local farmers and were fake as a 3 dollar bill.***

You mean like this one?;-D


31 posted on 11/25/2009 8:23:25 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The sword does not kill. It is a tool in the killer's hand.---Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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