[Zionist Conspirator]

I realize that making this a Jewish/Noachide caucused thread may be problematic because it explains another religion, but I simply don't want the thread derailed by post after post after post after post quoting the "new testament" to "prove" this or that and to proselytize. That would completely bury the purpose of the article.

Please be as lenient as you can on this one. I will accept your decision nonetheless.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Ping. Did I leave anybody out?

[Religion Moderator]

This cannot be a "caucus" because it mentions the beliefs of some who are not members of the caucus. The other believers have an interest in speaking for themselves.

The only options for this thread are "open" or "ecumenical."

Antagonism is not allowed on "ecumenical" threads. So for now, I'll change it to that. If you want it opened or pulled, let me know.

[Reddy]

Not sure of the purpose of your article?

[topcat54]

but I simply don't want the thread derailed by post after post after post after post quoting the "new testament" to "prove" this or that and to proselytize.

It’s unnecessary, since the OT confirms the Christian faith as well, e.g.,

In the Fundamentalist chr*stian worldview, every human being born into the world since the sin in the Garden is born "damned."

“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.” (Psalm 51:5)

[daniel1212]

The purpose of this article is only to clear. As part of your misrepresenting both Fundamentalists and God, you state,

“In the Fundamentalist chr*stian worldview, every human being born into the world since the sin in the Garden is born “damned.” and that is it their sinful nature that damns them.

This is not what Fund. believe, and the closest you can come the Calvinism, but which does not believe all are born damned. Moreover, many Arminian Fundamentalists hold that man is a free moral agent, and that souls go to Hell for the sins they committed, and not for Adam’s, though rejecting Christ, who alone can save, effectively is the ultimate sin.

Now here is just what you feared, some Bible quotes:

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (Rev. 20:13)

Notice “their works”, not those of Adam’s, or possessing a sinful nature. For The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Dt. 24:16)

The Bible also make clear that you are not a Christian or a Fund. one because you were raised that way, so may you get on the Lord’s side and stop misrepresenting His word.

[ROTB]

>but I simply don't want the thread derailed by post after 
>post after post after post quoting the "new testament" to 
>"prove" this or that and to proselytize.

Hello ZC. I hope you have been well.

Back in your thread titled "A Noachide's response to chr*stianity (Vanity)" I answered your post #39 systematically, point by point, in post #40 using only ...

1) Torah

2) Old Testament (Soncino Edition translated by Jews for Jews)

3) Talmud

... and I DID NOT get a systematic, point-by-point response from you.

Thus, I don't understand how it is that you state that Christians somehow need to retreat to the New Testament and Christian sources to prove the deity and messiahship of Jesus Christ.

Put another way, I agreed to your terms of sticking to Jewish sources only, and you still didn't give a full, point-by-point reply, as I did for you.

Lastly, you attempted to impugn my character in your post #41 by suggesting that I lied about my Jewish heritage and blood. Being also made in the image of the Eternal, you are better than that.