but I simply don't want the thread derailed by post after post after post after post quoting the "new testament" to "prove" this or that and to proselytize.
It’s unnecessary, since the OT confirms the Christian faith as well, e.g.,
It does as it is interpreted by the "new testament" and by chr*stianity. It does not do it in and of itself.
In the Fundamentalist chr*stian worldview, every human being born into the world since the sin in the Garden is born "damned."
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.” (Psalm 51:5)
A verse that says not a word about "eternal damnation." Certain strains of chr*stianity project their beliefs about "eternal damnation" onto it.
The purpose of this thread is to explain Fundamentalist Protestants to Orthodox Jews, not to argue with supersessionists. That is why this is an "ecumenical" thread. If you want to argue (and you won't actually do that; you'll just quote "the new testament" as if that in and of itself proves anything) then kindly start your own thread. Please do not highjack this one. Thank you.
Religion Moderator, see above statement.
What happens to people who sin without atonement?
“Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.”
Pardon me for quoting the NT portion of God’s revelation, but are you of the opinion that Torah-trained Paul, the former Saul of Tarsus studied at the feet of Gamaliel, was making new stuff up when he wrote:
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, (Romans 3)Is it your opinion that Christ Himself was lying when He taught, "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: … And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Or perhaps just mistaken?
As a Christian I do not believe Jews are going to hell for denying Christ, I do think at some point they will know Jesus Christ is the one they have been waiting for....
GOD knows that for many Jews especially in a Modern World do not recognize the Jesus of the Christians to be there Messiah, although many Jews have come to believe in Jesus Christ..
For me personally I have a real relationship with Jesus Christ, it is not based upon any particular religion, it is based on his gospel message and on his guidance and on his gift of salvation...
it is a relationship that enhances my life for the good in every way, who makes me want to please GOD and other’s.