Arroyo has it exactly right.
Moreover, it is the responsibility of the Cardinal, at least through his Archdiocesan liturgy office, to give the final approval of the texts which MAY be written or adapted, and to remind the priest celebrant (a Jesuit and former president of BC) that he has NO authorization to editorialize endlessly and remove all masculine references to God from the official texts.
Might also help if he said Mass often enough to remember "Let us proclai the mystery of faith" and that it was JESUS and not God the Father who taught us the Our Father. GEEEESH. I thought the SJs went to school for years for this stuff?
Finally, God forbid that we judge, not others, but OTHERS' POSITIONS on controverted issues, about which, when pronounced upon by the Church, do not - contrary to DOCTOR Obama's proclamation at Notre Dame to the cheers of thousands of stupid Catholic students, clergy and faculty - "admit of doubt."
I wonder how much "civility" Barack Obama would have demonstrated during the slavery debates of the Civil War era, or how much "common ground" he would have been willing to seek during the Civil Rights' struggle? Aren't babies in the womb just as really human beings with rights as were the slaves?
Come to think of it, did the Church in this country, North and South, cover itself with glory during the slavery debates? What will future generations say about us on issues of life - and death?
Truth and sound doctrine exchanged for thirty pieces of silver...
Cardinal O'Malley, I'm sorry to have to remind you that on the day of judgment there will be only one voice heard. That voice will speak His ineffable truth and we're all going to need special help to get through it. We'll learn firsthand how our 'tolerance' and 'civility' has flown in the face of God's expressed Word to man.
“If any cause is motivated by judgment, anger or vindictiveness,’’ he added, “it will be doomed to marginalization and failure.’’
No judgement means total tolerance......we are being taught to tolerate the intolerable by our Catholic leaders. We’ve been warned about this in Revelations!
The Catholic Church looks to go the way of the dinosaur...
Militant
I thought the mass was very nice, with the exception of the petitions read by the children. That was a political ad.
Other than that, I was OK with most of it.
Politically, really, O’Malley had to be there.
to the Cardinal... yada, yada, yada, Yawnnnnnnnnnnn
catholic bishops really need to keep their noses out of this healthcare debate.
It is not a christian virtue to “redistribute” money from one group to give to another. Some might call that stealing.
It is also not a chrisitan virtue to ration healthcare.
For a bunch of folks who claim to care about the poor, the disabled, the unborn, and the elderly - they certainly wind up on the wrong side too often!
(yes - I’m a catholic)
Leni
The one Catholic who played a memorable role in the pre-Civil War debates over slavery was Roger Taney, Chief Justice of the United States, in the Dred Scott decision.
I don't think the Catholic hierarchy spoke out against slavery, but it isn't a matter that I have done any research on.
People who are offended by masculine references to God should support a return to the use of Latin--the references would still be masculine but they wouldn't know what was being said so it wouldn't offend them.
Gee Cardinal, thanks for letting everyone know that baby butchery isn’t really that big a deal for you when it comes right down to it. Also thanks for enforcing that way of thinking amongst Catholics everywhere. Keep on trying to teach what the Church believes without ever using discipline to show you mean what you say, you seem to like the results of such efforts.
T.Man: I always thought this Arroyo guy was a stiff, he seemed like a bad used car salesman. I was wrong, he nails it. The lack of discipline from the church as concerns the issue of baby butchery is a scandal that will be looked back at as dwarfing the homosexualist priest scandal.
Freegards
All;
I was just curious, How many people on this thread think they are better, more righteous, than Ted Kennedy?
Your Eminence, it's almost to the point now that nobody cares whether you support or oppose particular issues. Non-Catholics are certainly not going to be swayed by your opinions and by the way "Catholics" voted in the last election, neither are members of your flock (assuming they even know your opinions), now largely dispersed and lost.
He warned against “harsh judgments’’ and attributing “the worst motives’’ to people with whom Catholics have disagreements, saying “these attitudes and practices do irreparable damage to the communion of the Church.’’
Wow! You mean when a Catholic university bestows an honorary degree on a vocal advocate of abortion, some Catholics actually get angry?? What a shocker!
You mean to say that when prominent politicians who self-identify as "Catholics" tirelessly promote the cause of abortion and do everything in their power to undermine the position of the Church, with no public sanction or rebuke from their pastors, some Catholics get fed up??!! Amazing!
These are not just "disagreements", Your Eminence. This is a matter of life and death! Unborn children are being slaughtered by the millions and you're waffling about "disagreements"? Catholics are sick of this "business as usual" attitude from the Church hierarchy.
“Our ability to change people’s hearts and help them to grasp the dignity of each and every life, from the first moment of conception to the last moment of natural death, is directly related to our ability to increase love and unity in the church, for our proclamation of the truth is hindered when we are divided and fighting with each other,’’ he wrote.
It's called defending the faith. The only reason we are "divided and fighting with each other" is because there is a significant cohort of Catholics, of whom Kennedy was the ringleader, who are spending every waking moment attacking the Church and undermining its fight for the unborn. That is why we are fighting. The Church is under attack. I'll be "civil" to the lost who seek help, to men of good will, the genuinely searching and even those of other faiths who attack the Church because they've been fed untruths and brought up on anti-Catholic propaganda. I won't be "civil" to those who seek to destroy the Church from within!
How's the touchy-feely approach going anyway, your Eminence? Any sign that Pelosi is about to recant? Any sign that Biden has got the message? Any sign that 40 years of detente with the world has opened the eyes of abortionists? Any sign that the "spirit of Vatican II" has touched the hearts of the abotionists, the CINOs and the gay marriage crowd?
When you get a moment free from closing parishes and straightening out clergy abuse cases, give some thought to how our forefathers died and were martyred in defense of the faith.
The Pope needs to take a trip over here and clean house.
“The words of the Bible and of the Church fathers rang in my ears, those sharp condemnations of shepherds who are like mute dogs; in order to avoid conflicts, that let the poison spread. Peace is not the first civic duty, and a bishop whose only concern is not to have any problems and to gloss over as many conflicts as possible is an image I find repulsive.”
—Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, 1997
I certainly hope the Cardinal gets a summons to the Vatican for a public rebuke. That would go a long way to reestablishing Church doctrine. (Note: I’m not Catholic but have been attending Mass with my wife, who is Catholic, for nearly 30 years). It’s time for the Pope to lay down the law to these renegades in the Catholic clergy over here.
This is not a case of someone striving to meet Catholic teachings and failing then repententing and seeking reconcilation. No this is a case of stubborn, willfull, knowlegdable rebellion against clear teaching of the Church and of universal moral natural law. That the Cardinal does not distinguish between the two is in itself a scandal.
Like many higher-ups in the clergy, the good Cardinal has become more obsessed with rubbing elbows with the rich and powerful. I can assure you that the middle america priests who tend to their flock on a daily basis don’t agree with elitists like O’Malley.
As I said on other threads, I really do believe that Cardinal O'Malley knew Kennedy has received the Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick and/or the Sacrament of Reconciliation -- we don't know that yet.
Kennedy was a Catholic in Name Only (CINO) during his life of politics.
Whether he asked for and received the Sacrament of Reconciliation and Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick remains to be known.
Some background on these sacraments for some of you.
Beginning Catholic: The Sacrament of Reconciliation: Rising Again to New Life [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: The Anointing of the Sick: Comfort and Healing [Ecumenical]