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To: Nikas777
Northern and Western Europe was your basic old-timey Third World Hell Hole from about 535 AD to the end of the 100 Years War in the 1400s.

They didn't really need protection ~ they needed to be bathed!

Fortunately, and barely in time, Byzantine soapmakers arrived as refugees in Venice and other "hot spots" and civilization recovered ~ well, at least "chemistry" recovered. In the meantime French knights crushed the remaining Islamic outposts in Spain.

The rest is history.

2 posted on 08/18/2009 6:32:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

If, of course, you ignore the Carolingian Renaissance. Don’t forget, it was a Frankish army under Charles Martel that defeated the Muslims at Tours. It was a combined Roman and Frankish army under Aetius that defeated the Huns at Chalons-sur-Marne. Western Europeans defeated the Vikings by converting them to Christianity (almost a third of the First Crusade was Viking) and they drove the Muslims from Spain.


14 posted on 08/19/2009 8:24:51 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: muawiyah
Northern and Western Europe was your basic old-timey Third World Hell Hole from about 535 AD to the end of the 100 Years War in the 1400s.

Give the Medieval world another chance. By the Renaissance of the Twelfth Century Europe had developed a lively and vibrant culture, as seen in the explosion of Gothic architecture, learning and the universities. It ended badly with much misfortune, but hey, that coincided with the onset of the Little Ice Age. Cold is not good for humanity.

35 posted on 08/21/2009 11:21:18 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Martha's Vineyard is great! Hey, honey, let's take a drive . . . .)
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