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The Assumption of Mary
Christian Resources ^ | William Webster

Posted on 08/17/2009 9:10:31 AM PDT by AnalogReigns

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To: rjsimmon

You are the one stating that Paul meant ALL means ALL - unequivocally. Is that not what you stated?


61 posted on 08/17/2009 10:12:02 AM PDT by frogjerk (tagline pulled for verification)
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To: rjsimmon
...Mary did not need a savior, that she alone needed no redeemer, where she alone was without sin....

Why would I attempt to prove that, since I have not claimed it?

62 posted on 08/17/2009 10:12:19 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: agere_contra
he couldn't have become Man without a sinless Mother

To the contrary: he couldn't have become Man WITH a sinless Mother.

63 posted on 08/17/2009 10:12:29 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Your opinion is doubleplusungoodthinkful. You have been reported to flag@whitehouse.gov.)
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To: ctdonath2
...He couldn't have become Man WITH a sinless Mother.

But He did, indicating quite strongly that your assertion is wrong.

64 posted on 08/17/2009 10:14:14 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: netmilsmom

I am not a Protestant who believes the Roman Church is the “whore of Babylon” or anthing like that. I do believe, that like any Church, it has beliefs and practices which need reformation and correction by the Holy Spirit. As it is now, anything which has much of a history in Rome (that the present curia recognizes...) cannot be changed—as it is by definition “holy tradition.” This was not how the early Church was run...and it is not how Churches should be managed today.

Oddly enough, I’m a part of some of the most traditional (and Roman Catholic appearing) Protestants, as I am conservative Anglican. I also firmly believe that holy scripture is not the Church’s sole authority....it is however the sole INFALLIBLE authority (and therefore all other authorities must submit to it)—as it is our direct link to the eyewitnesses to the resurrection, those designated by the Lord Jesus to establish His Church, that is the Apostles.

Hence, apostolic succession is most firmly shown in faithfulness to the full and final authority of the Apostles—as recorded in holy Scripture, and breathed out by the Holy Spirit.


65 posted on 08/17/2009 10:14:45 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Petronski

What need has a healthy man of a doctor? ALL have sinned. (Heard that one before somewhere?)


66 posted on 08/17/2009 10:15:04 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Your opinion is doubleplusungoodthinkful. You have been reported to flag@whitehouse.gov.)
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To: ctdonath2
If she gets an exemption, then why not the rest of us? "special consideration" = sinless = no need of a savior. What, there isn't enough of that "special consideration" to go around? Undermines the whole salvation process at the nexus of it happening.

Oh, please.

Her "special consideration" is directly tied to the irrefutable fact that a person -- even a Divine one -- with a fully human nature must (by definition) be brought into this world through a natural birth. Jesus Christ -- whose Divine existence as the Son of God meant that He existed for all of eternity outside the physical and temporal constraints of the natural world -- could only have one human mother. He could not have two mothers, He could not have 73 mothers, and He could not have come into this world with a litter of puppies.

That one human being who was selected to be His mother would certainly -- by her very nature -- occupy a very special (no, UNIQUE) place among all of the billions of people who have existed and who will exist.

67 posted on 08/17/2009 10:15:48 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: ctdonath2
What need has a healthy man of a doctor?

Preventative medicine? Prophylaxis?

68 posted on 08/17/2009 10:16:28 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

Only if you presume Mary sinless, indicating quite strongly that your presumption is wrong.


69 posted on 08/17/2009 10:16:30 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Your opinion is doubleplusungoodthinkful. You have been reported to flag@whitehouse.gov.)
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To: rjsimmon

>>You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: “ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. <<

Who are you talking about?


70 posted on 08/17/2009 10:16:57 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Petronski

If you don’t get the reference, then you don’t understand the source well enough to continue the discussion.


71 posted on 08/17/2009 10:17:42 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Your opinion is doubleplusungoodthinkful. You have been reported to flag@whitehouse.gov.)
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To: AnalogReigns
...it has beliefs and practices which need reformation and correction by the Holy Spirit.

Her doctrines (the Deposit of Faith) are already protected from error BY the Holy Spirit.

72 posted on 08/17/2009 10:18:21 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: rjsimmon
Mary knew quite well that she was in need of a Savior. Only a person, lost to sin, would have this awareness

That's like saying "only a person who has crashed through a windshield would be aware he needed to wear a seat-belt"

Mary knew what had been done for her. She was aware of her own salvation.

73 posted on 08/17/2009 10:18:56 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Judith Anne
If you accept that Almighty God can conceive by a virgin, then you must accept that He can give her the DNA necessary to have a Son. That DNA is not available to us to study, nor should it be, in my opinion.

Neither is the DNA of Mary, by the way. You can spend a billion years digging thousands of feet below the surface in every square inch of the Holy Land, and your odds of finding Mary's body in a tomb are no better than your odds of finding her Son's body in a tomb.

Hence, the doctrine of the Assumption.

I rest my case.

74 posted on 08/17/2009 10:19:11 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: ctdonath2
If you don’t get the reference, then you don’t understand the source well enough to continue the discussion.

By that standard, since you do not understand the teaching of the Immaculate Conception, you are not equipped to continue the discussion.

75 posted on 08/17/2009 10:19:38 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: AnalogReigns

Thank you for clarifying that.
We all have our opinions!


76 posted on 08/17/2009 10:20:36 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: ctdonath2
But Mary was sinless.

See, I can believe you, or I can believe the Church founded by Christ and protected from error by the Holy Spirit to this day.

77 posted on 08/17/2009 10:21:14 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: agere_contra
God entered our reality as both God and Man: he couldn't have become Man without a sinless Mother.

Poor logic and it is adding to scripture what cannot be added since it delves into heresy. With God all things are possible, His revelation in scripture tells us precisely what we need for salvation. Not one word is written that speaks of ANYONE other than Christ, leading a sinless life. To say Mary was the second to do so is fundamentally wrong because it contradicts scripture.

Therefore God made Mary free of Original Sin so that she would be a suitable vessel, ark, portal, gateway for Him to enter humanity. God has used sinful man in myriad ways, He even used Pharoah to be His vessel. Do not put the Almight in a box that He cannot emerge from.

We regain it through Mary in the Body of her Son, Jesus. Pure heresy. Only Christ redeems. Grace is given by God alone, not Mary.

Mary's gifts and graces without first recognizing that she is the Mother of God Almighty.

But she is NOT the mother of God. She is the mother of Jesus, the man. God has no father, but Christ made Himself subject to the will of the Father.

Hbr 2:7-9 You made him a little lower than the angels; you crowned him with glory and honor and put everything under his feet." In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

78 posted on 08/17/2009 10:21:53 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Nestorian heresy:

But she is NOT the mother of God. She is the mother of Jesus, the man.

79 posted on 08/17/2009 10:23:30 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Alberta's Child

Say, I believe we are in agreement on this.

I was simply addressing the DNA discussion.


80 posted on 08/17/2009 10:24:45 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Drill here! Drill NOW! Defund the EPA!)
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