The Assumption of Mary

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[wombtotomb]

Or the eternal present.

Listen guys, hate to harp, but don’t cast pearls before swine. Not worth the argument.

I will instead give you something to pray for; My son enters seminary next year. He is consecrating himself to the Blessed Mother, as do most, if not all, priests. Each time you see an antagonistic thread, say a Hail Mary for his discernment. Our Blessed Lady smiles warmly on these acts of Charity.......

God Bless you all, my FRiends.......

Hail Mary! Full of Grace! The Lord is with Thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus.

Holy Mary, Mother of God, PRAY FOR US sinners, now and at the hour of our death, Amen.

[Carpe Cerevisi]

[netmilsmom]

May the Lord shine on your son and bless him!

[frogjerk]

Death came thru Adam and life thru Jesus Christ. But before that death came thru a woman (Eve) and life came thru (the new Eve) Mary. Mary was chosen from all women throughout ALL of history to be the Mother of our Lord. "for behold from henceforth ALL generations shall call ME BLESSED"

Contemplate, if you haven't already upon -

The Holy Rosary, the prayer of the Gospel thru Mary's eyes : "Magnificat anima mea Dominum" - "MY SOUL doth MAGNIFY the LORD."

my emphasis

[AnalogReigns]

Actually, you’re putting your own private human logic, above the holy Scriptures, that is seeing it as higher authority than the Word of God.

I believe Jesus was the divine Son of God, not because I can figure it out...from some imaginary sequence of Mary’s conception being sinless, thereby enabling her to bear Jesus, as also sinless, rather, I believe it because the holy Scriptures tell us directly that He is God and man, without sin.

Scripture never says Mary was without sin—it says she was given grace (which is unmerited favor) from God, and became pregnant as a virgin with Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Beyond that, the Holy Spirit writing through the Evangelists, does not say—and to speculate beyond that—as Roman human tradition has done—is downright silly, foolish—and even impious, arrogant and really unsafe.

The gospels actually indicate Jesus’ family—including Mary, one would think—didn’t always believe in Him—even at one point thought Him insane: “When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.” (Mark 3:21)....not exactly sinless belief.

Elevating Mary, without a shred of backing from holy Scriptures, DIRECTLY COMPETES with giving glory to Jesus Christ—Who is forever praised and glorified, WITHOUT RIVALS!!!

[netmilsmom]

>>”Magnificat anima mea Dominum” - “MY SOUL doth MAGNIFY the LORD.”<<

That is easily dismissed by those who take the Bible literally. *snicker*

[Alberta's Child]

Anything short of perfection in His human nature — including His mother and His conception — would be incompatible with the notion that Jesus Christ was Divine.

[AnalogReigns]

non-Christian is anything, anything at all...even if that is hundreds of years old “Christian” tradition...that takes away glory from Jesus Christ.

[Judith Anne]

Excellent point. And may your son and his vocation be blessed every day of his life.

[rjsimmon]

The Holy Rosary, the prayer of the Gospel thru Mary's eyes : "Magnificat anima mea Dominum" - "MY SOUL doth MAGNIFY the LORD."

You need to finish the prayer:

Luke 1:46-47, Mary said: “My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour”. Mary knew that she needed a savior.

[frogjerk]

Paul states, unequivocally, that ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God (Romans 3:23).

Then Jesus sinned according to that logic. ALL = ALL unequivcally.

[netmilsmom]

>>Who is forever praised and glorified, WITHOUT RIVALS!!!<<

Yep, that’s what the Catholic Church teaches too.
Mary is not held in as high of a place as Jesus. Phew! Sometimes Non-Catholics in a tizzy really make me laugh.

[Alberta's Child]

If ONE person can claim that they are without sin, then He died on the cross for NOTHING!

Well, no.

Mary never claimed that she was without sin.

The doctrine of the Assumption is based on a sacred tradition that reflects an understanding of Mary's nature that dates back through the centuries.

[netmilsmom]

>>non-Christian is anything, anything at all...even if that is hundreds of years old “Christian” tradition...that takes away glory from Jesus Christ.<<

So the Catholic Church is not Christian, in your opinion?

[Mr Rogers]

So...God could prevent Mary from being tainted by original sin, but he couldn’t do that for Jesus?

[rjsimmon]

Anything short of perfection in His human nature — including His mother and His conception — would be incompatible with the notion that Jesus Christ was Divine.

Rubish. Christ was the bridge between sinful man and perfect God. He was both 100% man and 100% God. His 'perfection' came from His divine nature and was without original sin because His father was THE Father, not Joseph.

By extension, your logic implies the need for sinless ancestors, which is heresy.

[rjsimmon]

Then Jesus sinned according to that logic. ALL = ALL unequivcally.

Have you bothered to read that book we call the Bible? Try building a strawman in a corn field. Your logic is poor.

[Petronski]

As someone who went through the Ordination ceremony for priesthood, I would disagree.

Suuure you were.

Mary knew quite well that she was in need of a Savior.

And she had one! She was redeemed from the moment of her Immaculate Conception.

Explanation of the dogma

In Catholic teachings the dogma is explained as follows:

1. The essence of original sin consists formally in the lack of sanctifying grace. Being preserved from original sin, Mary entered existence in a state of sanctifying grace.

2. Mary's freedom from original sin was an unmerited gift of God's grace.

3. The efficient cause of the Immaculate Conception was Almighty God.

4. The meritorious cause was the Redemption by Jesus Christ. It follows from this that even Mary was in need of redemption and was, in fact, redeemed "by the grace of Christ" in a more perfect way than other human beings. Christ's redemption frees all humanity from original sin. The uniqueness of what Christ has done for Mary is that she was freed from original sin before ever inheriting it, while the rest of humanity is freed after it has been inherited from Adam and Eve. Thus, this dogma in no way contradicts the dogma that all children of Adam are subject to original sin and in need of a savior.

5. The final cause of the Immaculate Conception is her Motherhood of God.

Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, p. 199, via wikipedia.

[frogjerk]

Of course Mary knew she needed a savior because she was filled with grace and knew humility better than anyone. For her to be saved from Original Sin did not require her to get dirty in the process. Just like I can save you from a pit either by pulling you out of it or by stopping you from falling into it in the first place. Either way you are saved.

[Alberta's Child]

You are making the very bold -- and incorrect -- assumption (no pun intended) that the Holy Scriptures are the sole authority on Christian doctrine.

That might seem like a reasonable position to take, but some serious contradictions to this assertion appear even in the Gospels themselves.