Posted on 07/13/2009 5:38:36 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
“Gays and lesbians are asked to make sacrifices the rest of us are not asked to make,” said the Rev. J. Frederick Barber of Fort Worth
Nonsense.
They have made choices in their life that have consequences.
Just like a person that choses to use drugs or a person that choses to murder someone or a person that choses to be unfaithful to their spouse.
They are called SINS.They do have consequences.
This is just one more religion that is pandering to the world instead of glorifying the Kingdom
That durn Bible. Always gets in the way.
The urban churches have complete control, as I understand, and do what urban people do - become lefties. The Episcopal church leadership has been taken over by these socialists just as universities and the government have. The Episcopal church demonstrates the great success of the social revolution of the 60’s-70’s, IMHO.
I think the man had a handle on the situation when he stated;
if it offends you, cut it off.
Majority of Epicopalians, or majority of Episcopalian conference representatives? The article only talks about conference attendees, not of any larger survey.
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The Episcopal Church is a Full Communion Partner of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America; hence these deliberations and decisions will likely become weighty arguments at the ELCA Churchwide Assembly in August in Minneapolis.
"Following the example of our Full Communion partner" will hold more gravitas than following the example of global Christianity as there is no international Lutheran structure parallel to the Anglican Communion.
Kyrie Eleison.
The article doesn’t state how the pollsters choose the members, to poll. It doesn’t state how many people they polled. I would be surprised if the majority of Episcopalians favor disobeying the Bible.
Sadly, this has been the case for a long time in the ECUSA. A majority of Episcopalians hold to the belief that the Bible is open for wide interpretation; there is no literal requirement to believe Scripture is a black or white issue. Most, however, do believe that sin is a black or white issue with God with no sin being greater than another...IOW telling a lie is as bad as murder in the opinion of God; lustful thoughts as bad as actual adultery.
Personally, I don't particularly care if the person sitting in the pew next to me is gay or straight but I do care that they make their sin apparent. It is as if, I a sinner who has committed, lets say adultery, got up and announced it to the congregation and expected applause because of my being a church leader and proud of my sins. Don't ask, don't tell is working in the military and it can work in church as well. Confession needs to be made to God and gay people should remain in their closets even when wearing clerical collars.
I suspect a preponderance of Episcopalians don't know what is going on. They attend small churches, many with part time, retired clergy, and faithfully attend the Lord's business there in their sphere. I'll bet many don't know they don't own the church they or their forefathers built.
They fully understand that the media will never come after their homosexual predator priests (and there are plenty of them) because the media agrees with their lukewarm, liberal, socially conscious message.
They are immune.
It is very sad.
The Clueless sometimes ask me: “Why in the world did you leave the Episcopal Church?”
Because it is “in the world” in the worst possible sense. That’s why I left.
It's gone on too long and has gone too far for anyone to honestly plead ignorance at this point.
talking to one each day, a small parish vestryman didn't realize the General Convention was in session and, I believe, is in a state of denial. - good guy, strong churchman, active in Cursillo, but seems to think it will all go away.
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