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To: Marie2
See...here's where I get tripped up by Calvinism: Say I want to get saved. I ask Jesus into my heart, and believe He has risen from the dead. I publicly confess this. According to Romans 10:9, I'm saved.

Now, according to what I know of Calvinism...even if I do all these things, if God hasn't chosen me to BE saved, I am destined for Hell, and no matter what I do, I can NEVER be saved.

I'd like to believe I'm mistaken on this, but like I said....this is what I understand Calvinism to be.

Am I mistaken?

15 posted on 06/27/2009 10:29:51 AM PDT by hoagy62 (Obama: slowly sucking the positive attitude out of the US since 11-4-08)
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To: hoagy62
Say I want to get saved. I ask Jesus into my heart, and believe He has risen from the dead. I publicly confess this. According to Romans 10:9, I'm saved. Now, according to what I know of Calvinism...even if I do all these things, if God hasn't chosen me to BE saved, I am destined for Hell, and no matter what I do, I can NEVER be saved.

Of course -- if you're not chosen by God before time, that means that God has damned you to hell for all time and that's your destiny. Tough luck...
18 posted on 06/27/2009 10:49:32 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: hoagy62

If you want to read a brief explanation of what Calvinism teaches, click on the link from Alex’s post at #7.


27 posted on 06/27/2009 12:08:07 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (What is coming next?)
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To: hoagy62

Yes, you are mistaken.

If you want to get saved, ask Jesus into your heart, and believe he has risen from the dead, and confess that publicly -

you are obviously saved. All the activity above is evidence of that. No Calvinist I know would deny it!


38 posted on 06/27/2009 1:25:24 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: hoagy62; Cronos
Say I want to get saved. I ask Jesus into my heart, and believe He has risen from the dead. I publicly confess this. According to Romans 10:9, I'm saved.

Now, according to what I know of Calvinism...even if I do all these things, if God hasn't chosen me to BE saved, I am destined for Hell, and no matter what I do, I can NEVER be saved.

I'd like to believe I'm mistaken on this, but like I said....this is what I understand Calvinism to be.

Am I mistaken?


You are mistaken.

Although I'm a little tripped up myself on the "ask Jesus into my heart" part, if you truly believe, if you truly confess it's because you have been called and justified, thus you are saved.

What you described is what you do in response to what God does:
Romans 8:28-33
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things? Who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies;
Reformed theology doesn't teach that anyone can come to the faith unelected by God. Nor does it teach that election and calling doesn't require a response. Nor does it teach that evangelism is pointless. Cronos is spouting against a theology he knows little about. Try reading the Canons of Dordt, they'll help in understanding at least the five Doctrines of Grace.
46 posted on 06/27/2009 3:16:15 PM PDT by raynearhood ("Naysayers for Jesus" - Charter Member)
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