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To: Diego1618; Daniel Gregg; JohnnyM; Langel; D Rider
I would like to appeal to those who esteem one day more then the other. Romans 14:5

“ One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” KJV

Here I propose a time frame to those who firmly believe in a Wednesday Nisan 14th crucifixion to a (3 days & 3 nights) Saturday Nisan 17th resurrection.

I will present a day by day chronological time frame beginning with the step by step peripherals leading up to Jesus last Passover. Here I will combine the scriptural accounts (KJV) to reveal that a crucifixion on a Passover of Wednesday Nisan 14th was likely not feasible.

The Gospels tell us beginning with St. John Chapter 12;

(1)“Then Jesus six days (Thursday Nisan 8th) before the Passover (Wednesday Nisan 14th) came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.”

St. John Ch.12 con't...

(12) “On the next day (Friday Nisan 9th) much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,”

(13) “Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.”

St.Mark Chapter 11 (Friday Nisan 9th)

(7) “And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on him; and he sat upon him.”

(8) And many spread their garments in the way: and others cut down branches off the trees, and strewed them in the way.

(9) And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

(11) And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the twelve.

(12) And on the morrow (Saturday Nisan 10th), when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:

(15) And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;

Exodus 12:1-6. (Nisan 10th / Nisan 14th)

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt saying,

2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month (Nisan) of the year to you.

3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth (10th) day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:

4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbor next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.

5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth (14th) day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

* The overall point here is that the day of procurement as prescribed in Exodus 12:1-6 for Nisan 10th occurs in this Gospel time frame on a weekend (7th day) Saturday Sabbath.

• The likeliness of working, and purchasing with money handlers on a Sabbath day would have been likely avoided back in that time by the Sanhedrin council whose duty was to govern the sacred calendar.

* As well for those who esteem a crucifixion event occurring on a Passover of Friday Nisan 14th where our Lord resurrected on a Sunday Nisan 16th. Here the verse St. John 12:1 would apply as follows;

(1) “Then Jesus six days (Saturday Nisan 8th) before the Passover (Friday Nisan 14th) came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.”

• The likeliness here of our Lord traveling on route leading the disciples from Jericho (~20 miles away) arriving in Bethany on a Sabbath day (rest day) is beyond comprehension.

* In my opinion both of these time frames suggest that the events one way or the other leading up to Passover and the events remaining to follow just don’t stack up?

Best Regards - Pmary65

62 posted on 07/20/2009 4:14:19 PM PDT by Pmary65 (one of the Sabbaths)
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I would like to appeal to those who esteem one day more then the other. Romans 14:5
“ One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” KJV

[Not relevant to the Sabbath since Paul was talking about fasting. To esteem in the context was to fast, and not to esteem was to eat while someone else was fasting]

Here I propose a time frame to those who firmly believe in a Wednesday Nisan 14th crucifixion to a (3 days & 3 nights) Saturday Nisan 17th resurrection.

I will present a day by day chronological time frame beginning with the step by step peripherals leading up to Jesus last Passover. Here I will combine the scriptural accounts (KJV) to reveal that a crucifixion on a Passover of Wednesday Nisan 14th was likely not feasible.

The Gospels tell us beginning with St. John Chapter 12;

(1)“Then Jesus six days (Thursday Nisan 8th) before the Passover (Wednesday Nisan 14th) came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.”

[If you count with respect to the Passover sacrifice on Nisan 14, then count inclusively, but if with respect to the holy day Nisan 15, which also was called Passover, then count exclusively. So either way, Friday, Nisan 9 is when it was “six days before the Passover”.]

St. John Ch.12 con’t...

(12) “On the next day (Friday Nisan 9th) much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,”

[The next day is now the Sabbath — that is when the Triumphal entry occured]

(13) “Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.”

St.Mark Chapter 11 (Friday Nisan 9th)
[The Sabbath, Nis 10]

(7) “And they brought the colt to Jesus, and cast their garments on him; and he sat upon him.”

(8) And many spread their garments in the way: and others cut down branches off the trees, and strewed them in the way.

(9) And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

(11) And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the twelve.

[Now it becomes Nisan 11, the day after the Sabbath]

(12) And on the morrow (Saturday Nisan 10th), when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:

(15) And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;

Exodus 12:1-6. (Nisan 10th / Nisan 14th)

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt saying,

2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month (Nisan) of the year to you.

3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth (10th) day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:

4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbor next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.

5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth (14th) day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

* The overall point here is that the day of procurement as prescribed in Exodus 12:1-6 for Nisan 10th occurs in this Gospel time frame on a weekend (7th day) Saturday Sabbath.

[Yes, the day of the triumphal entry, but not the day of the cleansing of the temple]

• The likeliness of working, and purchasing with money handlers on a Sabbath day would have been likely avoided back in that time by the Sanhedrin council whose duty was to govern the sacred calendar.

[Nisan 10 consecration of the lamb was never moved due to falling on Sabbath]

* As well for those who esteem a crucifixion event occurring on a Passover of Friday Nisan 14th where our Lord resurrected on a Sunday Nisan 16th. Here the verse St. John 12:1 would apply as follows;

(1) “Then Jesus six days (Saturday Nisan 8th) before the Passover (Friday Nisan 14th) came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.”

• The likeliness here of our Lord traveling on route leading the disciples from Jericho (~20 miles away) arriving in Bethany on a Sabbath day (rest day) is beyond comprehension.

* In my opinion both of these time frames suggest that the events one way or the other leading up to Passover and the events remaining to follow just don’t stack up?

Best Regards - Pmary65

[The only substantial objection you offer is the presence of money changers on the “Sabbath”, but the cleansing of the Temple did not happen on the Sabbath.]

While in Hellenistic Greek one might put the resurrection on “one of the sabbaths” i.e. say the sabbath following the 7th day of unleavened bread, the word “one” is a semiticicm for “first”, i.e. “first of the sabbaths”, and the Lev. 23:15 instruction has this as the first sabbath after the 15th of Nisan.
Clearly, you are more freethinking and tolerant than a lot of others. Blessings.]


69 posted on 07/21/2009 12:47:50 PM PDT by Daniel Gregg
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