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To: Peter ODonnell; DouglasKC; XeniaSt
I have read that it was probably 33 AD and possibly 30 AD. This would help to identify what day of the week Jesus was crucified. Then if we knew that, and we assumed that the Resurrection was on a Sunday (the day after the Jewish sabbath) then we would have some basis for assessing how long it was from death to resurrection.

If the crucifixion/resurrection was in 33 A.D. then the women of [Mark 16:1] could not have purchased the spices after the Sabbath.....and then rested on another Sabbath after preparing them [Luke 23:56]. There had to be a day in between the First Sabbath of Unleavened [Leviticus 23:6] and the weekly Sabbath, the day of resurrection. Here is the calendar for 33 A.D.

As you can see the Passover (the 14th) was on a Friday that year and the weekly Sabbath (resurrection day) followed next. The women could not purchase the spices on the preparation because they went to the tomb with Joseph [Matthew 27:61][Mark 15:47][Luke 23:55]. They could not purchase the spices [Mark 16:1] after sundown when the body was interred.....because the Passover Sabbath had begun and all the shops in Jerusalem would have been closed. If the crucifixion occurred in 33 A.D. as some erroneously believe the women would have then had to purchase the spices [Mark 16:1], return home and prepare them [Luke 23:56] doing all of this prior to sunrise on Sunday morning because that's the time they appeared at the tomb......with the spices! This means that after the weekly Sabbath ended (sundown Saturday) they would have to do all of this on Saturday night. This is inconceivable because all the shops in Jerusalem would again be closed at night......and it still leaves the question about resting the Sabbath according to the commandment......after they prepared them [Luke 23:56]!

Here is a much more sensible (and scriptural) time line. Calendar for 30 A.D..

As you can see Passover Preparation and the day of crucifixion occurred on Wednesday. The body was entombed shortly before sunset [Luke 23:54] which constituted the first day. The Sabbath of Unleavened Bread began at sundown [John 19:31] and was the first night. The following day (Thursday) continued the Sabbath of Unleavened and was the second day in the tomb. At nightfall (Thursday evening) the Sabbath was past and this time was reckoned as the second night. Friday daylight was the first time the women [Mark 16:1] would have been able to purchase the spices and then they returned home and prepared them [Luke 23:56]. This would have been the third day in the tomb and their task probably took all day as scripture indicates they did not go to the tomb then....but rested the Sabbath according to the commandment. The Sabbath (weekly) began at sundown and during this period of darkness, it would have been the third night in the tomb [Matthew 12:39-40] and Our Lord resurrected Himself sometime before sunset because scripture ........all four Gospels say the tomb was empty when the women got there and were told, "HE IS RISEN"!

[Matthew 28:1] And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre.

[Luke 16:2] and early in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, they come unto the sepulchre, at the rising of the sun.

[Luke 24:1] And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain others with them.

[John 20:1] And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb.

Now....I have not even addressed the impossibility of a Friday afternoon/Sunday morning affair and the fact that the only sign Our Lord would give us was.....He would be in the tomb three days.....and three nights. The main stream church has kept Christians in the dark (they know the truth) over this question for 1700 years. They have done this in the zeal to perpetuate the fantasy and myths which keep their Day of the Sun in the forefront. They are the ones who changed the day of worship from God's Holy Sabbath to Sunday....they admit it.....and they laugh about it.

Here is an interesting comment from Cardinal Gibbon's book, "Faith of Our Fathers," 110th ed., p. 89: "You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and YOU WILL NOT FIND A SINGLE LINE AUTHORIZING THE SANCTIFICATION OF SUNDAY. THE SCRIPTURES ENFORCE THE RELIGIOUS OBSERVANCE OF SATURDAY, a day which we never sanctify."

On September 23, 1893, Cardinal Gibbons also made this statement in the "Catholic Mirror:" "The CATHOLIC CHURCH for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, CHANGED THE DAY FROM SATURDAY TO SUNDAY ... THE CHRISTIAN Sabbath (Sunday) IS, therefore, to this day, THE ACKNOWLEDGED OFFSPRING OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH as the spouse of the Holy Ghost, without a word of remonstrance from the Protestant world.

Maybe if Protestants read my post they will understand how foolish they appear.

575 posted on 04/17/2009 10:07:58 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618

***I have not even addressed the impossibility of a Friday afternoon/Sunday morning affair and the fact that the only sign Our Lord would give us was.....He would be in the tomb three days.....and three nights.***

Let us see what Scripture actually says:

Matt. 28:1-2: “Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it.” The first day of the week is Sunday according to Judaism, according to the New Testament since Saturday is the 7th day.

Mark 16:1-4: “Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. And they said among themselves, “Who will roll away the stone from the door of the tomb for us?” But when they looked up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away— for it was very large.”

Luke 24:1: “Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.”

John 20:1 “On the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.”

Luke 24:21-23 “But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened. “Yes, and certain women of our company, who arrived at the tomb early, astonished us. When they did not find His body, they came saying that they had also seen a vision of angels who said He was alive.”

Jesus has twice appeared to people none of which were the apostles but disciples. Cleopas and the other disciple had disbelieved the two reports already given of the resurrection. It is now the third day since all these things have occurred. If he was in three 24 hour periods it would have read the 4th day. The scripture is absolutely clear in the eyewitness testimonies on this.

1 Cor. 15:3-4: “ For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures and that he was buried and that He rose again the the third day according to the Scriptures.” The third day. If it was 3 full 24-hours Paul would have said after the third day or more precisely the fourth day. Paul is not preaching another gospel nor taking liberty in interpreting the event, he is speaking according to the Scripture and the facts.

Peter in the book of Acts declares to the Jewish brethren (Acts10:39-40) “And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem, whom they killed by hanging on a tree. “Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly. ”

On the third day means that He was crucified on Day 1, spent Day 2 in the grave and was resurrected on Day 3. I think that an examining of the facts make this clear.


578 posted on 04/18/2009 7:02:06 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Diego1618

***Here is an interesting comment from Cardinal Gibbon’s book, “Faith of Our Fathers,” 110th ed., p. 89: “You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and YOU WILL NOT FIND A SINGLE LINE AUTHORIZING THE SANCTIFICATION OF SUNDAY. THE SCRIPTURES ENFORCE THE RELIGIOUS OBSERVANCE OF SATURDAY, a day which we never sanctify.”

On September 23, 1893, Cardinal Gibbons also made this statement in the “Catholic Mirror:” “The CATHOLIC CHURCH for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, CHANGED THE DAY FROM SATURDAY TO SUNDAY ... THE CHRISTIAN Sabbath (Sunday) IS, therefore, to this day, THE ACKNOWLEDGED OFFSPRING OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH as the spouse of the Holy Ghost, without a word of remonstrance from the Protestant world.***

And? That is the authority of the Church, deny it as you will.

***Maybe if Protestants read my post they will understand how foolish they appear.***

Along with the Canon of Scripture, most Protestants accept the authority of the Church to do such as this. This is not foolishness; the foolishness extends to not recognizing the authority of the Church in all Christian things.


579 posted on 04/18/2009 7:04:37 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Diego1618
...THE ACKNOWLEDGED OFFSPRING OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH as the spouse of the Holy Ghost, without a word of remonstrance from the Protestant world.

There is no remonstrance because there can be no remonstrance to facts like that.

581 posted on 04/18/2009 8:14:39 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: Diego1618; Peter ODonnell; DouglasKC; XeniaSt; Petronski; MarkBsnr
If the crucifixion/resurrection was in 33 A.D. then the women of [Mark 16:1] could not have purchased the spices after the Sabbath.....and then rested on another Sabbath after preparing them [Luke 23:56]. There had to be a day in between the First Sabbath of Unleavened [Leviticus 23:6] and the weekly Sabbath, the day of resurrection. Here is the calendar for 33 A.D.

You totally ignore the what the scriptures actually SAY. The chronology is very clear. The women saw where they were burying Jesus, then went home and prepared the spices and celebrated the Sabbath immediately there after. IF there was a non-sabbath day between the weekly and Passover two things would have happened. 1. The body would have been anointed that day - bodies decay rapidly there - remember Lazereth - after 4 days he 'stinketh'. Secondly Jesus' followers would have bugged out under fear of prosecution - the two followers going to Emmaus makes that clear.

If the crucifixion occurred in 33 A.D. as some erroneously believe the women would have then had to purchase the spices [Mark 16:1], return home and prepare them [Luke 23:56] doing all of this prior to sunrise on Sunday morning because that's the time they appeared at the tomb......with the spices! This means that after the weekly Sabbath ended (sundown Saturday) they would have to do all of this on Saturday night.

Yet that is the gospel account Diego -

Luke 23: 55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Excuse me Diego - where, pray tell, is this extra day to be found in this passage???? The gospel narrative does not allow for the speculative extra biblical twisting and turning you are exhibiting here.

AD 30 fails to even come close to meeting the gospel narrative.

588 posted on 04/19/2009 7:19:35 AM PDT by Godzilla (TEA: Taxed Enough Already)
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