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To: Peter ODonnell
Friday with a sabbath to follow, then how do we know what day of the week it fell in the year in question, because as I understand it, we don’t know the year in question with precision. I have read that it was probably 33 AD and possibly 30 AD.

I'm certain the year was 30 A.D. Please see post # 446 & 448. Here is a calendar of 30 A.D.

As you can see, Passover [Leviticus 23:5] fell on a Wednesday (the 14th) and The First Sabbath of Unleavened [Leviticus 23:6] fell on Thursday (the 15th). The 16th was the non Sabbath day the women [Mark 16:1] purchased the spices on....and then after preparing [Luke 23:56] rested the Sabbath (another one) day (the 17th). This was also the day of resurrection [Matthew 12:40] being the third day from the sundown entombment on Wednesday [Matthew 27:57-60][Mark 15:42-46][Luke 23:50-55][John 19:31-42].

556 posted on 04/17/2009 4:46:23 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618

***I’m certain the year was 30 A.D. Please see post # 446 & 448. Here is a calendar of 30 A.D.

As you can see, Passover [Leviticus 23:5] fell on a Wednesday (the 14th) and The First Sabbath of Unleavened [Leviticus 23:6] fell on Thursday (the 15th). The 16th was the non Sabbath day the women [Mark 16:1] purchased the spices on....and then after preparing [Luke 23:56] rested the Sabbath (another one) day (the 17th). This was also the day of resurrection [Matthew 12:40] being the third day from the sundown entombment on Wednesday [Matthew 27:57-60][Mark 15:42-46][Luke 23:50-55][John 19:31-42].***

Fascinating; except that your calendar doesn’t show the holy days. Do you have a link to a site that shows the surrounding years’ Jewish holy days?


557 posted on 04/17/2009 5:02:11 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Diego1618; Peter ODonnell; DouglasKC; XeniaSt; MarkBsnr; JohnnyM
I'm certain the year was 30 A.D.

Peter, Diego likes to push the 30 AD theory because he is doctrinally predisposed to reject a Sunday resurrection. There are serious problems chronologically with AD 30 not just with his proposed Sabbath sequence conflicts with the gospel narrative. There are other data points here that help us confirm the year.

First Luke 3:1–3 tells us that John the Baptist, Jesus’ forerunner, began his ministry “in the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar.” Both Roman historians Tacitus (Annales 4 §4) and Suetonius (Tiberius 73) date the beginning of Tiberius’s reign at A.D. 14 (the precise date is August 19, the day of Emperor Augustus’s death). Hence the 15th year of Tiberius’s reign, counting from August 19, A.D. 14, brings us to A.D. 29 (14 + 15 = 29). Luke's account also indicates that John, who was older, had been preaching for a while before Jesus was baptised. Note that AD 29 is only one year away from AD 30. Diego only allows 1 year for Jesus' ministry, which is far too short of a period to account for the gospel account

The Apostle John lists 3 passovers - (2:13, 23); (6:4); and (11:55; 12:1). It is possible that there was a fourth that might be inferred from Mt 12:1 - but that could be another feast as well. This adds up to a length of about 3 ½ years for Jesus’ ministry - placing His crucifixion in AD33. Once again, Diego's numbers don't match the scriptural account.

The AD 33 date also agrees with the interpretation of Daniel's vision of 70 "sevens" (490 prophetic years of 360 days each) (Daniel 9)- a period prophesied that at the end of the 69th week (483 years) after the decree to rebuild the city, messiah would present himself and be cut off. Artaxerxes gave the order to restore Jerusalem to Nehemiah in 444 BC. There is no 0 BC year, 1 BC jumps to 1 AD in 1 year of time. Therefore -

483years X 360 days = 73880 days
73880 / 365.242199( days/yr) = 476 years + 1 year (BC to AD) = 477 calendar years
477 - 444 = 33 AD

This comes out to be the exact day that Jesus rode into Jerusalem (Palm Sunday)
Luke 19:41 ¶ And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

Finally, in 33 CE the full moon occured on Friday, Nisan 14th. That makes the Passover a double sabbath since it coincides with the weekly sabbath. John in 20:31 writes ¶ The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

The chronology from the gospels is very straight forward from there on. Jesus died at the time the Passover lambs were being killed and was buried before the start of the High Sabbath (before 6 PM Friday). The guard was placed at the tomb some time Saturday. And the women came to the tomb at dawn (the day after the sabbaths - a reference to the double sabbath celebrated Friday night - Sat night and at dawn the angel removed the stone. Much more can be said of this sequence, but the simple facts point to 33 CE as the year of Jesus' death. -

1. Only 33 AD meets the clear time line for the ministry documented in the gospels

2. Only 33 AD meets the date obtained from Daniel

3. It has the passover coinciding with the weekly sabbath, matching the gospel narrative.

Hope this clears things up for you

571 posted on 04/17/2009 7:46:46 PM PDT by Godzilla (TEA: Taxed Enough Already)
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