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Testing David Wilkerson’s Prophecy [John Piper]
Desiring God ^ | March 9, 2009 | John Piper

Posted on 03/09/2009 9:24:55 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

The Bible says, “Do not despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:20-21).

David Wilkerson will cause a good many hearts to pound faster with his pronouncement that “AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN.” New Yorkers especially will swallow hard: “It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut.”

What shall we make of this? The part that depends on the Bible we should take with absolute seriousness. You don’t need to have special revelation to know that the rejection of Jesus Christ as Lord is the norm in America. Therefore, we stand under the judgment of God and it is only a matter of time till the present judgments (Romans 1:18-32) give way to spiritual awakening or punitive calamities (2 Thessalonians 1:6-8).

But the part of the prophecy that goes beyond what the Bible says, we measure by biblical standards. Two things give me pause in Wilkerson’s extra-biblical specifics.

First, it does not resonate with my spirit when he claims that God told him to “lay in store a thirty-day supply of non-perishable food, toiletries and other essentials” because when disaster comes “grocery stores are emptied in an hour.” God might have said this. But it doesn’t smell authentic to me. Too prudential. Too reminiscent of the embarrassing Y2K excesses.

Second, my confidence level drops when the Scriptures are not handled carefully. Wilkerson says, one way we can respond is: “As David says, ‘He fixed his eyes on the Lord on his throne in heaven—his eyes beholding, his eyelids testing the sons of men’” (Psalm 11:4).

This does not have the feel of authority to me because what Psalm 11:4 really says is: “The Lord is in his holy temple; the Lord’s throne is in heaven; his eyes see, his eyelids test the children of man.”

So my take on this prophetic word is that the scare will probably do good for a lot of people. The Bible is a scary book. And the future that is coming on unbelievers is scary beyond anything any preacher could conjure up.

But my own effort to be discerning says: Stick with the Bible, David. It is scary enough. And it is absolutely true. And your credibility will never fall.


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1 posted on 03/09/2009 9:24:55 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

There are few pastors I hold in higher esteem than Piper and Wilkerson.

I’ll take the wait and see approach.


2 posted on 03/09/2009 9:27:41 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Skooz

I thought Wilkerson’s prophecy sorta indicated that it was he himself who was suggesting the 30 day supply of food, not that the Lord told him to do it.


3 posted on 03/09/2009 9:31:18 AM PDT by Blogger (Pray and Prepare)
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To: Alex Murphy

If a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD but the thing does not take place or prove true, it is a word that the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; (Deuteronomy 18:22)


4 posted on 03/09/2009 9:31:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Skooz
As in Biblical times, God always sent the prophet(s)to call people and nations to repentance before judgment comes. And as in Bible times, most did not listen and even laughed and scorned the prophets. Much like today. Time will tell who is correct, but my heart tells me it is David Wilkerson.
5 posted on 03/09/2009 9:33:25 AM PDT by bella1 (Remember; it took four years of Carter to give us eight years of Reagan.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A convenient qualifier.


6 posted on 03/09/2009 9:34:45 AM PDT by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: SeekAndFind
It's worth pointing out that in the Deuteronomy tests (you gave one, and the other is a doctrinal test in Deut. 13), there is no requirement for the "prophet" to claim to be a prophet per se. The accused only has to claim that God spoke to him, and gave him a vision of the future to share with others.
7 posted on 03/09/2009 9:35:46 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: Alex Murphy

Piper says some good stuff, but when he spends as much time as he does in tearing down biblical gratitude, and denigrates this as a “debtor’s ethic”, I’ve had to get out my salt shaker every time my church plays a Piper DVD lesson.


8 posted on 03/09/2009 9:36:15 AM PDT by fishtank (Until the GOP repents of supporting Bush, people will think they're just "bashing 0bama".)
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To: Skooz
I agree, do not think too much of doomsday prophecies, although it is not imprudent to have a couple of bags of rice, a fishing pole, and a case or two of canned beans sitting around. Living in Calif within 2 miles of the San Andreas fault line, with the possibility of a natural calamity it is not that bad of an idea.
9 posted on 03/09/2009 9:36:34 AM PDT by Jolla
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.” New Yorkers especially will swallow hard: “It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut.”

The 3 Mile Island Nuclear plant? Let's face It - the NY politicians aren't the brightest birds in the barnyard (To them, 9/11 was simply a political inconvenience), and it wouldn't be very hard for obomas muslim brothers to sneak in there.

10 posted on 03/09/2009 9:36:36 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: SeekAndFind
So when Abraham was told to sacrifice his son Issac and then God told him not too and so “the thing does not take place”, then neither was actually the word of The Lord?
11 posted on 03/09/2009 9:39:52 AM PDT by Jolla
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To: Jolla
So when Abraham was told to sacrifice his son Issac and then God told him not too and so “the thing does not take place”, then neither was actually the word of The Lord?

I don't think a prediction was made there regarding what was going to happen. God told Abraham to do what He told him to do in order to test his faith.
12 posted on 03/09/2009 9:41:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Alex Murphy

I am with Alex...Wilkerson has been doing this for years.


13 posted on 03/09/2009 9:42:06 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware of socialism in America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Alex Murphy

Well, Wilkerson’s article definitely scared a couple of my family members into sitting up and taking notice. I was beginning to think we’d have to start setting food aside for them, too. Today I got a call from my sister who was already doing a bit of preparing, telling me where I could purchase dried milk in bulk. It’s my husband’s side of the family that is just about 100% oblivious as far as I can tell.


14 posted on 03/09/2009 9:42:36 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Let his days be few, and let another take his office." Psalm 109:8)
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To: Jolla
In the last days, old men will dream dreams and young men will see visions. Israel has once again become a nation, so that makes our generation the last before the Antichrist sets the stage for Armageddon.
15 posted on 03/09/2009 9:45:05 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics
Doesn't the temple have to be rebuilt?
16 posted on 03/09/2009 9:48:54 AM PDT by Jolla
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To: ChocChipCookie
doing a bit of preparing

It's not a bad idea, anyway. We've witnessed Obomas first 2 months, and it's only going to get worse.

"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences" ( Proverbs 22:3 )

17 posted on 03/09/2009 9:49:09 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Alex Murphy

One more comment. I welcome Christian leaders weighing in on the world crisis we are in. We’ll know soon enough whether or not Wilkerson’s prophesy is true, but at least he’s acknowledging that something is really, really wrong out there. Walking into my church is like visiting the Twin Towers on September 10. My pastor has yet to even acknowledge what is going on. Our family and friends in the church have been taking various steps to prepare for hard times for months now. A few families have even researched moving to other countries. ALL OF US ARE SANE and mature Christians! But I walk into church wondering if I’m the crazy one, are my fears and emotions getting the best of me, how do I keep a balanced view of all this, where does God fit into the picture of the scariest possible future ever, but I get a sermon on “Blessed are the peacemakers.” OK, how does THAT fit in with a possible future where desperate people are trying to break into my house to steal our meager provisions? Now THAT might be helpful. Sorry if I seem sarcastic, but I’ve been feeling this way for several weeks now, and each Sunday think, “Maybe today’s the day we’ll hear a sermon that will give us guidance right now.” In the meantime, my friends and I share ideas for food storage, how to make homemade laundry soap, and we constantly check our sanity levels with each other.


18 posted on 03/09/2009 9:51:28 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Let his days be few, and let another take his office." Psalm 109:8)
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To: Alex Murphy
Too reminiscent of the embarrassing Y2K excesses.

We were never embarrased about the "precautions" we took, just in case.

19 posted on 03/09/2009 9:51:32 AM PDT by bearsgirl90
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To: Jolla
Doesn't the temple have to be rebuilt?

That's the way I understand it. Right now, Israel is being pressured into dividing the capitol.
I saw a program a while back where the Jewish scholars were thinking the place of the old temple was actually off to the side of where they always thought it was. If they're right, they could still build it even if the capital is divided.

20 posted on 03/09/2009 9:55:53 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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