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To: BroJoeK
Let me put it this way: were any Nazis ever excommunicated, either for their Nazi ideology, or for their genocidal behavior? I can't think of a one, including Adolf Hitler!

Every NAZI who was baptized Catholic and who by deed, word or belief rejected the faith they were baptized in was automatically excommunicated:spiritual suicide if you will.

When a coroner officially pronounces a corps dead, it doesn't mean the corps was alive until that point. Dead is dead with or with out the "official" recognition; same with excommunication.

80 posted on 03/12/2009 8:05:35 PM PDT by conservonator (spill czeck is knot my friend)
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To: conservonator

.............so all those abortion supporting Americans are already excommunicated? Why are the priests giving them communion and the bishops letting it go?


81 posted on 03/12/2009 8:09:33 PM PDT by nufsed
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To: conservonator
"Every NAZI who was baptized Catholic and who by deed, word or belief rejected the faith they were baptized in was automatically excommunicated:spiritual suicide if you will."

And how many of those who attended mass were refused communion? Who was stricken from the rolls of Church membership? Which Nazis were not given a Catholic funeral if their families asked for it?

By contrast, the Church's condemnations of Communism were clear and unequivocal, for example (from Godman p105,):

"the entire teaching of Communism about human society is incompatible with the true Christ; they say that Communism and Christianity are at odds and irreconcilable: no one can be, at one and the same time, an upright Catholic and a sincere Communist..." --1934.

And voices within the Church were just as unequivocal against Nazism, for example, head of the Fulda, Germany, Bishops Conference, Cardinal Bertram, in 1936 warned (Godman p110):

"In leading positions of the National Socialist Party the spirit of Bolshevism as hatred against Christianity, and especially against the Catholic Church, is so acute that I have repeatedly remonstrated with the government that the publications and illustrations of the official journals of Nazi organizations are worse and more disgusting than they have been Russia. The spirit of the leadership is similar to the sounds of official organs."

But despite such warnings, the Church was not as aggressive against Nazism. My analogy is this: where the Vatican threw Communists out of school, at worst it gave Nazis a rap on the knuckles, and too often simply ignored their bad-boy misbehaviors.

It was even suggested in 1938 that Adolf Hitler himself should be officially excommunicated. But who do you suppose the suggestion came from? It was from formerly one of Hitler's strongest opponents, but soon to become his hapless ally: the Italian dictator, Benito Mussolini.

Of course, the Vatican did nothing of the sort in 1938, or any year after.

86 posted on 03/13/2009 6:11:17 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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