Posted on 02/09/2009 7:43:26 AM PST by greyfoxx39
If Nana dont get no source from Grasshopper, then Nana spank Grasshopper...
Nana strict...
Some of them have been known to post here :)
You know FULL WELL it doesn’t have to ‘say it’ if it’s been REVEALED to you!
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It has been revealed to me that mormonism is not true...
Hey left field
....are you on the same planet?
Hey left field
....are you on the same planet?
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Ahh, nope...
You on Kolob drinking cheap Kolob Champagne AKA strongly fermented purple Kool Ade...
Me on the planet Earth...
drinking great coffee...
Guess which one is seeing pixies ????
:)
How DARE you present facts to her!
You are SO in right field!!!
--MormonDude(I believe it all.)
I don't know WHY the LDS Headquarters wastes all their time and money publishing this stuff; for NO ONE that is a 'true' MORMON will believe anything in them a few days after the ink dries...
You are SO in right field!!!
—MormonDude(I believe it all.)
Resty - Hey left field
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AHHHHHHHH...typical of mormons...
Two different stories...
You guys cant keep your “facts” straight...
As for me...
I play a great game of Baseball....
:)
Do you realize that on every thread there is the same group who are using tackics to attack the LDS, as those who don’t believe in God or Jesus?
This is not mind reading nor motive nor can it be a personal attack when what the person is being made aware of the methods they are using to trash or dismiss!
O... K...
drinking great coffee...
(You up in Orderville, cheering up Utah Binger?)
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The technology to film the Dead Sea Scroll fragments so they can be read came mostly out of BYU.
Many old translations have had to be discarded
because the new lighting technique are able to see letters and words that are hidden from unaided sight. If you have any of the newer pictures of the pieces of the scrolls, you can thank the people from BYU.
And i see no way that you can be correct about the Church hiding stuff when things are so open to examination; both latter day writtings, and the very old writtings that speak of God's dealings with man.
If you were correct, we would want to hide all the scroll translations from ya’ll, not make them easier to read.
Most of those techniques came from Germany and other places in Europe. For example
Powerful x-ray to unravel fragile Dead Sea scrolls-Cardiff University
Please note that contrary to the chest beating of BYU folks, this article points out there are still DSS scrolls yet to be unrolled.
There are dozens of other examples, BYU does not have a corner on the market.
And i see no way that you can be correct about the Church hiding stuff when things are so open to examination; both latter day writtings, and the very old writtings that speak of God's dealings with man.
For example, the official version of the First Vision by Joseph Smith, fashioned in 1838, nearly 20 years after the event, was unknown to church members living in the 1830s. It evolved after years of refining and modifying. It describes a more spectacular and miraculous event than earlier versions of the same event. The 1832 account is the original handwritten version and not as dramatic as the 1838 version. The 1832 version does not mention God the Father one who appeared to Smith, or the religious excitement causing Smith to pray, persecution by enemies, being attacked by the devil, being told not to join any apostate Christian Churches by Jesus; and he was not called to restore a church and serve as its prophet. The 1832 "vision" resembles a common Christian epiphany where he imagined Jesus forgiving his sins. Church leaders suppressed the contradictory and less impressive version for over a century. (James B. Allen, Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn 1966, pages 29-45. See also Fawn Brodie, No Man Knows My History, pp.24-25; and The Changing World of Mormonism, pp. 148-166)
Leonard Arrington, the official LDS Church Historian for nearly a decade (1972-1982) lamented the suppression of real Mormon history in favor of a faith promoting version. Six years previous to his appointment as church historian, Dr. Arrington wrote: "it is unfortunate for the cause of Mormon history that the Church Historian's Library, which is in the possession of virtually all of the diaries of leading Mormons, has not seen fit to publish these diaries or to permit qualified historians to use them without restriction." (Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought (Spring 1966, p.26). Leonard Arrington was demoted in 1982 transferred from the church historians office to BYU because of his refreshing honesty; he was a threat to the faith promoting history the church insisted he support (Deseret News, Church Section, July 5, 1980; http://library.usu.edu/Specol/manuscript/Arrington/LJAHA1/bio.html).
The LDS Church misrepresents the method by which Joseph Smith authored the Book of Mormon. Quite unlike the explanations and images offered to members in official church publications, Joseph Smith never had gold plates in view when "translating," nor did he use an Old Testament instrument called the Urim and Thummim.
Smith's "translation" method was the same used to earn money to locate subterranean treasure for money. He put his favorite magic rock in a hat, pulled the hat over his face, and rested his elbows on his knees, to read the English words and sentences that God caused to appear on the stone, according to Smith's faithful scribes. The plates were never in view, in the same room, or often never in the house. (Emma Smith, The Saints' Herald, May 19, 1888, p.310; and Saints' Herald, November 15, 1962, p.16. Martin Harris, Historical Record, by Andrew Jensen, p.216. David Whitmer, An Address To All Believers In Christ, p.12. Grant Palmer, An Insider's View of Mormon Origins)
Thus the integrity of the lds church is in serious question when the issue of 'hiding' stuff comes front and center when mormon history is hidden from mormons themselves.
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