Posted on 02/09/2009 7:43:26 AM PST by greyfoxx39
If this author can be a Professor of Ancient Scripture at BYU then Jason of Friday the 13th. can be a Professor of Surgery there.
None of them recorded more details concerning the latter days than Isaiah. Latter-day Saints well recognize that he knew about America, about the American Indians, and about the coming forth of the Book of Mormon.
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Gollies...
This begs the question ...
Where in Isaiah does it say all that ????
2 Samuel 2:17
You can't really get a stronger commandment than "Thus saith the Lord God.
>>>>It would seem so much more difficult to be commanded into polygamy
2 Samuel 2:17
You can’t really get a stronger commandment than “Thus saith the Lord God.
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Actually...
>>>>It would seem so much more difficult to be commanded into polygamy
2 Samuel 2:17
You can’t really get a stronger commandment than “Thou shaly not commit adultery” Exodus 20:14...
Joe Smith was an evil whoremonger and chased anything in skirts...
He threatened his wife Emma when she objected to his adultery...
When we look into the book of James, which is a mormon fav, we find that temptation to sin is not from God...
Jam 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jam 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jam 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jam 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. James 1:12-15
And we know that Joe Smith brought an early death upon himself for his blasphemy and sin against God...
Which goes to show the Lord did not consider polygamy adultery when he commanded it by way of Nathan the Prophet.
It is a position shared by Augustine and Martin Luther just to name a few people you might recognize. Also the Catholic Church generally condemns polygamy but issued a Papal Dispensation in the late 1800's for it to be practiced in Paraguay.
The position of Augustine, Luther and The Catholic church is essentially what the LDS position is. It is wrong unless commanded directly by God.
So if the Lord gave you more wives through the latter-day prophet, you’d have no problem taking them?
In that case, if it's not wrong, why is it not being practiced today by the SLC LDS? Of Course, the FLDS has it right, by obeying God, right?
2Sa 2:17 And there was a very sore battle that day; and Abner was beaten, and the men of Israel, before the servants of David.
And your point is?
Which goes to show the Lord did not consider polygamy adultery when he commanded it by way of Nathan the Prophet.
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Source please, kid...
From the Bible...
Really? Well did Luther embrace it to the degree you are claiming?
" In a letter addressed to Joseph Levin Metzsch of December 9, 1526, Luther says: . . Only see that your liberty does not become an occasion to the flesh. . . . Moreover, although the patriarchs had many wives, Christians may not follow their example, because there is no necessity for doing this, no improvement is obtained thereby, and, especially, there is no word of God to justify this practise, while great offense and trouble may come from it. Accordingly, I do not believe that Christians any longer have this liberty. God would have to publish a command that would declare such a liberty. W.H.T. Dau , Luther Examined and Reexamined: A Review of Catholic Criticism and a Plea for Reevaluation)
To Clemens Ursinus, pastor at Bruck, Luther writes under date of March 21, 1527: "Polygamy, which in former times was permitted to the Jews and Gentiles, cannot be honestly approved of among Christians, and cannot be engaged in with a good conscience, unless in an extreme case of necessity, as, for instance, when one of the spouses is separated from the other by leprosy or for a similar cause. (Dau, ibid)
As far as Saint Augustine saw a conflict with Old Testament polygamy. He wrote in The Good of Marriage (chapter 15) that, although it "was lawful among the ancient fathers: whether it be lawful now also, I would not hastily pronounce. For there is not now necessity of begetting children, as there then was, when, even when wives bear children, it was allowed, in order to a more numerous posterity, to marry other wives in addition, which now is certainly not lawful." He refrained from judging the patriarchs, but did not deduce from their practice the ongoing acceptability of polygamy. Still his words do not trump the Apostle Paul in 1Timothy 3:2, " A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"
AFA throwing in the Catholic Church, you need to post a more accurate citation of the dispensations. The only ones I am aware of are an instance in India in 1571 and South American nations in 1627. In both cases the Church was entering into areas where polygamous marriages were already in existence and the unbelievers were converted while still polygamous. Very limited conditions to ease cultural transitions and the application of the Pauline principle stated in 1 Cor 7:15.
Well, thats three strikes and you're out!
These traditions say that the latter-day servant of God would be a descendant of Joseph through Ephraim, that his mission would commence about the same time Elijah returned (Mal. 4:5–6), and that ultimately he would be killed.
All of this is summarized with sources cited in a book by the late Dr. Joseph Klausner of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Dr. Klausner’s book, The Messianic Idea in Israel (New York: The Macmillan Co., 1955), devoted the entire ninth chapter of part 3 to a discussion of the “messiah ben Joseph” tradition. Yet it always puzzled Dr. Klausner that this tradition should be so thoroughly established in Jewish lore, even though there was no reference to it in the Jewish scripture.
Had Dr. Klausner lived a little longer, he might have met some of the Mormon scholars who are doing scriptural research in the Holy Land.
They could have explained this mystery to him and shared with him the good news that this great Jewish expectation has now been fulfilled. “Messiah ben Joseph” has come, and so has Elijah.
The coming of Joseph and Elijah in the latter days was to herald the dawn of a great new era for the tribe of Judah, and it is interesting to see that the Jews have gone ahead fulfilling prophecy, without even knowing that the two harbingers they were expecting have already come.
Not traditions resty but mormon doctrine. Ephraim was the son of Joseph and Asenath and the younger brother of Manasseh (Genesis 41:50-52). According to the Book of Mormon in 2 Nephi 3:5-15 Joseph Smith is from the loins (lineage) of the Joseph in Genesis 41:45-52, and the mormons believe that they to are of that same lineage. Ephraim is the tribe of which the blessings of God come through according to the mormons and it is through them that the authority has been given to preach (their) Gospel.
Prior to 1978 those of the Negro race (Those with black skin/dark skin) could not hold the priesthood, but that they were cursed by God. LDS teach that when Cain murdered his brother Abel he became (Genesis 4) cursed by God and was given black skin and from then until 1978 those who were from that lineage could not have the priesthood authority. According to the book of Abraham, the descendants of Cain were to be denied the priesthood of God (Abr. 1:23-26). All those who are in the lineage of Cain (Blacks, Negroes, Egyptians) could not hold the priesthood according to the book of Abraham 1:20-27.
45 And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphnath-paaneah. And he gave him Asenath, the daughter of Potipherah, priest of On, for his wife. And Joseph went out over the land of Egypt... 50 And two sons were born to Joseph before the years of famine came, whom Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On bore to him. 51 And Joseph called the name of the first-born Manasseh, saying, For God has made me forget all my toil and all my father's house. 52 And the name of the second he called Ephraim, saying, For God has caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction." (Genesis 41:45&50-52). Thus Ephraim and Manasseh were 1/2 Egyptian. Their mother was Asenath, who was of the blood of Ham, a pure Egyptian.
Joseph Smith and all those who claim to be from the lineage of Joseph or Asenath's two sons (Manasseh and Ephraim) could not of had the priesthood before 1978 because the law of God was not yet changed and that this was effective for all those living before 1978. Just more evidence from mormonism itself that it is a man-made religion.
Stop bloviating in your mindset you will never grasp these talks nor receive the awareness of joy!
***I challenge any mormon to prove that Joseph Smith was a powerful leader like Moses by referencing ANY example of his use of God’s power, “Like Moses”.***
He made people see a book that wasn’t there.;-)
I've had the awareness of Joy in my life for over 40 years now and it keeps on growning. I don't need to fix my trust in a convicted scam artist and his over inflated ego resty - but then you are very, very blissful about that. :)
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Good MEMORY!!
And yet, you seem to have trouble REMEMBERING just what was UNTRUE about the PRESBYTERIANS.
Why is that?
You were ONE of THEM; right?
How sweet don’t need too...
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