Maybe some L. Ron...
HEY!!!!
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Scientology is a newer religion than Mormonism...
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Don't make fun of them,
they have a right to have
their moronic beliefs respected.
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Posted on 02/09/2009 7:43:26 AM PST by greyfoxx39
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Ping
Moses turned a staff into a snake, parted the Red Sea, smote water from a rock, etc.
I challenge any mormon to prove that Joseph Smith was a powerful leader like Moses by referencing ANY example of his use of God's power, "Like Moses".
Joe Smith had indeed performed a vast miracle, similar to Moses at the red Sea, one that continues today.
He has parted numerous otherwise intelligent people from both their money and senses...
Blasphemy!
Though, in actuality, Moses didn't do any of those things.
God did.
LOL.
I saw a book of Moses being referenced in this post, and was confused. Then I saw:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Moses
Wow. Just wow.
It's not "old-fashioned" for Catholics at all.
Reading 1
Gn1:1-19
In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth,
the earth was a formless wasteland, and darkness covered the abyss,
while a mighty wind swept over the waters.
Then God said,
"Let there be light," and there was light.
God saw how good the light was.
God then separated the light from the darkness.
God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night."
Thus evening came, and morning followed—the first day.
Then God said,
"Let there be a dome in the middle of the waters,
to separate one body of water from the other."
And so it happened:
God made the dome,
and it separated the water above the dome from the water below it.
God called the dome "the sky."
Evening came, and morning followed—the second day.
Then God said,
"Let the water under the sky be gathered into a single basin,
so that the dry land may appear."
And so it happened:
the water under the sky was gathered into its basin,
and the dry land appeared.
God called the dry land "the earth,"
and the basin of the water he called "the sea."
God saw how good it was.
Then God said,
"Let the earth bring forth vegetation:
every kind of plant that bears seed
and every kind of fruit tree on earth
that bears fruit with its seed in it."
And so it happened:
the earth brought forth every kind of plant that bears seed
and every kind of fruit tree on earth that
bears fruit with its seed in it.
God saw how good it was.
Evening came, and morning followed—the third day.
Then God said:
"Let there be lights in the dome of the sky,
to separate day from night.
Let them mark the fixed times, the days and the years,
and serve as luminaries in the dome of the sky,
to shed light upon the earth."
And so it happened:
God made the two great lights,
the greater one to govern the day,
and the lesser one to govern the night;
and he made the stars.
God set them in the dome of the sky,
to shed light upon the earth,
to govern the day and the night,
and to separate the light from the darkness.
God saw how good it was.
Evening came, and morning followed—the fourth day.
You are kind of making my point. God gave Moses the POWER TO PROVE he spoke for, and acted on behalf of God. God could have obviously parted the Red Sea without Moses commanding it, but God wanted a Prophet to bring forth the commandments unto men. God used allowed Moses to use a portion of his power to prove to the world beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 10 commandments came from God. It would seem so much more difficult to be commanded into polygamy, for example....The same God certainly would not deny similar power to the “prophet” Joe Smith....So examples are requested.
Oh yeah, it gets even better too...
But with the discovery and translation of the Dead Sea scrolls, a number of modern scholars have been shocked into believing that Christianity actually may have originated during the Old Testament period.
Generally this is considered to be the Essene community that did the copying of the scrolls, and that Jesus was an essene. This has been pretty well disproved now that the details of the life and culture of the Essene DS communities has been revealed by the DSS.
In fact, as the story of the scrolls has unfolded, it has gradually dawned on some of the authorities that Jesus did not initiate Christianity after all. He simply restored the rich religious culture that God had shared with mankind from the earliest times, which puts a different perspective on the study of the Old Testament.
As a faith promoting article, the facts just don’t follow the story. The author depends upon the lack of knowledge by the reader and the attendant mystery of the DSS documents at the time to conjure up this kind of story. Modern evaluation of the DSS scrolls do not support such a fanciful tail.
Nevertheless, scholars cannot help wondering how so much of the story has become lost, especially the prophecies and teachings concerning the earthly mission and message of Jesus Christ. No wonder it has come as such a surprise when the Dead Sea scrolls seem to reveal that there was a pre-Christian “Christianity.”
By scholars the author should be more specific in that they are mormon scholars. Modern scholarship does not support this interpretation.
These prophecies said the great Messiah would come among men and would be slain by his own people. Such a possibility seems to have become so completely abhorrent to the minds of the venerable scribes who lived during the Jewish period of national decline that they began striking these passages from the scriptures. But at least one prophet, Nephi, knew in advance that this would happen. (1 Ne. 13:28–29.)
Fortunately, they missed the great messianic chapter of Isaiah (chapter 53), but nearly everything else concerning the first coming of Christ was deleted. Sometimes whole books were excised, including the priceless messianic texts of Zenos, Zenoch, and Neum. (1 Ne. 19:10.)
This is actually very intellectually dishonest on multiple levels. First there is no evidence of striking any of what Christianity defines as the Suffering Messiah passages of prophecy. In fact, those passages are more than abundant. Secondly, within the context of the DSS, this claim is substantially TROUNCED by the Isaiah Scroll which confirmed the transmission of the OT text -
Isaiah 53:3-7 (King James Version)
3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
So there is no legitimate evidence that these passages were removed. Secondly, there is no evidence of any Zeno, Zenoch or Neum ever existing in the first place (outside the mind of smith). Nephi could not have existed as is clearly attested to here
Isaiah knew the role Martin Harris would play in the early days of the Church. He was also familiar with the role of a certain “learned” man, who turned out to be Professor Charles Anthon, one of America’s foremost classical scholars during the mid-nineteenth century. Isaiah knew what Professor Anthon would say when Martin Harris told him about the Book of Mormon plates. (Isa. 29)
This is so undefendable it is laughable that the author would put it here except to perpetuate the lie.
Dr. Klausner’s book, The Messianic Idea in Israel . . . . . Yet it always puzzled Dr. Klausner that this tradition should be so thoroughly established in Jewish lore, even though there was no reference to it in the Jewish scripture.
The modern Jews must also take from their midst the sons of Levi (identified as cohens from ancient times) and have them offer up the ancient sacrifices as an “offering in righteousness” that will be acceptable to God. (Ezek. 43:18–27; Ezek. 44:9–27; Mal. 3:3.)
These are the only ones authorized to be priests in the OT, and only one at a time could be High Priest – sorry LDS, unless you are blood descendant of Aaron, no Aaronic priesthood for you.
In conclusion, this article is grossly out of date as far as the scholarship surrounding the DSS goes and modern research has shown that the DSS actually work to disprove the BOM, BOA and Moses. But for the mormon sheeple, faith promoting rumor is the staple of life.
NO use throwing good fiction after bad fiction.
Good point...
Maybe some L. Ron...
Better fit anyways...
eeeuuuuueehhhhh, really bad fiction.
Either that; or these MEN merely IGNORED what it plainly said.
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Scientology is a newer religion than Mormonism...
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Don't make fun of them,
they have a right to have
their moronic beliefs respected.
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Perhaps a revelation by an LDS prophet is required to instigate removal of out-of-date material on the official LDS site.
An excerpt from Revelation: “A Continuous Melody and a Thunderous Appeal”
states as follows:
Of all things, that for which we should be most grateful today is that the heavens are indeed open and that the restored church of Jesus Christ is founded upon the rock of revelation. Continuous revelation is indeed the very lifeblood of the gospel of the living Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.19
Vital and priceless records of ancient America, with teachings of Christ, another testimony of his divinity, form the Book of Mormon, which we declare to be divine scripture, contemporary with and sustaining the Bible.
Since [Joseph Smith’s First Vision] in 1820, additional scripture has continued to come, including the numerous and vital revelations flowing in a never-ending stream from God to his prophets on the earth. Many of these revelations are recorded in another scripture called the Doctrine and Covenants. Completing our Latter-day Saint scriptures is the Pearl of Great Price, another record of revelation and translated writings of both ancient and modern prophets.
There are those who would assume that with the printing and binding of these sacred records, that would be the “end of the prophets.” But again we testify to the world that revelation continues and that the vaults and files of the Church contain these revelations which come month to month and day to day. We testify also that there is, since 1830 when The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, and will continue to be, so long as time shall last, a prophet, recognized of God and his people, who will continue to interpret the mind and will of the Lord.20
When … , after prayer and fasting, important decisions are made [by Church leaders], new missions and new stakes are created, new patterns and policies initiated, the news is taken for granted and possibly thought of as mere human calculations. But to those who sit in the intimate circles and hear the prayers of the prophet and the testimony of the man of God; to those who see the astuteness of his deliberations and the sagacity of his decisions and pronouncements, to them he is verily a prophet. To hear him conclude important new developments with such solemn expressions as “the Lord is pleased”; “that move is right”; “our Heavenly Father has spoken,” is to know positively.21
Revelation has not ceased and will not cease. This kingdom of God has been set up for the rest of time, never to be torn down nor given to another people. It is a continuous program and will grow instead of diminish. Its doctrines are well established, but because of growth and expansion, improved ways are afforded to teach the gospel all over the world. Additional servants are called to the increasing work for a bigger world. Revelation and other miracles will never cease unless faith ceases. Where there is adequate faith, these things will continue.
The prophet Mormon warned: “Yea, wo unto him that shall deny the revelations of the Lord, and that shall say the Lord no longer worketh by revelation, or by prophecy, or by gifts, or by tongues, or by healings, or by the power of the Holy Ghost!” (3 Ne. 29:6)22
I bear witness that the Church moves on through the revelations of God to its divinely called leaders. The Almighty is with this people.23
************************************************************************************************************************ The revision of Kimball's words will probably have to wait in line until after Brigham Young, Orson Pratt, and other prophets are sanitized.
Then we have a match...
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