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To: Vaquero

He cannot use evolution, as the term is used today. Evolution assumes some kind of undirected (important!) abiogenesis to produce the first living organism, then additional undirected (important!) natural selection arising from random mutations to every living thing (plant and animal) that exists today (common descent). If God exists, then existence is dependent upon Him and nothing, by definition, is therefore undirected. Mutually exclusive.


4 posted on 12/14/2008 8:56:41 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

Exactly, if anything about evolution is valid in God’s creation and this is what He uses, evolution in itself would BE intelligent design.


6 posted on 12/14/2008 9:05:59 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Dutchboy88

Not according to my HS biology teacher, a Marist Brother in the Catholic HS I went to.

We Catholics, have absolutly no problem separating science from religion. We can believe in the Lord and still follow science, at least science that is grounded in fact and not crap like the global warming fraud.


10 posted on 12/14/2008 9:23:25 AM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Dutchboy88
Evolution assumes some kind of undirected (important!) abiogenesis to produce the first living organism

False. Evolution is a process by which one form of life becomes another. It is not concerned with the origins of life. Evolutionary theory does not state that the process is "undirected" -- only that no external supernatural force is required to explain observed phenomena.

If a sparrow falls, we may determine that it expired due to natural and well-understood biological causes, and that it fell because the force of gravity drew it to the nearest massive object, which we call Earth. Did God mean for the sparrow to fall? That is something science can neither prove nor disprove, and thus does not concern itself with.

20 posted on 12/14/2008 10:25:14 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Dutchboy88

What many theistic evolutionists fail to understand. Neo-Darwinism entirely discounts the supernatural. A Supreme Being, according to the neo-Darwinist, has no more relivance than Santa Claus or the Boogyman visa vis the creation of the Universe.


27 posted on 12/14/2008 10:44:03 AM PST by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, he believes government is the solution, rather than the problem)
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