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(Must Read & Pass on!)What’s Wrong With Double-Poxer Pro-lifers?
cosmos-liturgy-sex.com ^ | September 20, 2008 | Hierothee

Posted on 10/04/2008 7:56:52 AM PDT by Publius804

What’s Wrong With Double-Poxer Pro-lifers? Filed under: Uncategorized — Hierothee @ 11:09 am

In my occasional travels through cyberspace, I have noticed that many pro-life Catholics are so fed up with the current state of American politics that they refuse to vote for either major party. Mark Shea is perhaps the biggest example of this. Indeed, one of his readers has accused him and his ilk of being “double-poxers.” They say a “pox upon both your houses” to Democrats and Republicans alike. They will vote for a third-party candidate, or not vote at all, and this, Shea’s reader asserts, is impractical thinking that will all but ensure a Democrat victory and the appointing of radical, activist judges who are pro-abortion.

I am in agreement with Shea’s reader, but I have a different way of putting it. Shea’s reader does not go deeply enough in his analysis of why “double-poxing” is wrong-headed. The double-poxers are not just impractical: they fail to see the guiding telos of the socialism homogeneously embraced by Democrat Party leadership. In order to assess the current political situation, one needs to go beyond the issue of practicality (though that is important) and even beyond specific issues such as war, torture, euthanasia or even stem-cell research and abortion. One has to acknowledge the true nature of socialism.

Socialism seeks to impose the mechanized central government as the religious authority in people’s lives.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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Pass this alone to all your well meaning by naive Christian friend on the fence about McCain/Palin.
1 posted on 10/04/2008 7:56:52 AM PDT by Publius804
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To: Publius804

false dilemma


2 posted on 10/04/2008 8:01:38 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Publius804

Any vote based prayerfully on legitimate Christian and/or conservative principles is not a wasted vote, imho. We don’t know how God will use it, but that He will honor it is axiomatic.

While I am supporting John McCain, I have long thought that this nation needs a viable conservative party.


3 posted on 10/04/2008 8:11:22 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Publius804; wagglebee; jwalsh07; SolidWood; i_dont_chat; P-Marlowe; Monkey Face; ...
Welcome n00b. We have a large contingency of pro-life folks at freerepublic.

The current Democrat Party candidate for president, Barack'ACORN'Obama is far more than just pro-choice, he has worked hard to protect infanticide in order to try and prevent erosion to the Roe v Wade and Doe v Bolton abortion-embracing attitude of America.

The Democrat candidate, on four noted occasions, worked to prevent born alive infant protection acts from passing into law in Illinois. These bills were aimed at stopping a most heinous way of aborting alive children, called induced labor abortion. This form of killing the alive unborn was becoming alarmingly popular nationwide, as evidenced by the United States Congress eventually passing a ban on the procedure which Barack Obama sought to protect and keep legal.

Induced labor abortion has two advantages, according to abortionist testimony:
... one, the abortionist kills the alive child by neglect, outside of the woman’s body, by inducing premature birth of a struggling-to-breathe child who is left to die unattended, alone;
... two, the tissues that can be harvested from children killed this way are ‘more pristine’ for sale/shipping in the fetal tissue harvesting industry which had–-when Obama was in the IL legislature–-reached more than a billion dollars, supplying research facilities all over the world.

If that is not the sort of evil Popes have spoken out against, I have missed history of the past twenty years! Yet millions of those claiming to be Catholic will vote to place Barack'ACORN'Obama into the most powerful job in the secular world.

To knowingly vote for a man who believes protecting infanticide killing of alive children is acceptable in order to prevent Roe v Wade from being eroded is to embrace evil, actual, palpable EVIL. May God have mercy on our sinking American soul.

4 posted on 10/04/2008 8:29:39 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Gondring

Well don’t leave us in suspense, explain your assertion, Gondring.


5 posted on 10/04/2008 8:30:54 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Publius804

Both Catholics and fundamentalists. I whip out a voter registration form and ask them to register to vote. They reply that they’ll “pray about it”. Three elections later they are still praying about it.

Then there are Pro-life groups that intentionally schedule events around election time that distract those who do vote away from election activity and into events that are a waste of time.

Pro-life campaign coordinators post on the internet that nobody can vote for their 100% pro-life candidate unless they also are 100% pro-life, no exceptions. Voters who like the candidate for his position on taxes, spending, guns, etc are alieanted from voting for the pro-life candidate.

And, of course there is the candidate himself. In a live radio interview, the moderate Republican host says “Ambassador Keyes, you can bring to the US Senate extensive experience in the UN and international affairs. What do you think of the current world situation, old Europe, new Europe, Iraq, Iran, Korea?” Within 3 seconds, Ambassador Keyes is on pro-life.


6 posted on 10/04/2008 8:34:36 AM PDT by spintreebob (.)
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To: Publius804

Just when we need to be strongest, some seem to have given up the fight. The pro-life coordinator at my church said to me last week that Roe v Wade will never be overturned and abortion will never be abated.

Think about the affect that Ronald Reagan had with his pro-life leadership. Though he never got any meaningful legislative passed restricting abortion, the movement grew and the young people of our nation are rejecting the culture of death.

John McCain may not be as vocal about life as I would like, but Sarah Palin is. Imagine her influence on young women in this country.

All that is needed for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.


7 posted on 10/04/2008 8:34:43 AM PDT by Jvette
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To: Jvette

We need to keep up the fight - politically AND culturally.


8 posted on 10/04/2008 8:39:32 AM PDT by Publius804 (McCain-Palin '08)
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To: MHGinTN

“If that is not the sort of evil Popes have spoken out against, I have missed history of the past twenty years!”

Not only Popes, but every evangelical, God-fearing, minister of the Gospel! Yet, there are Christians who are blindly following this man.

As you said, may God have mercy on our souls.


9 posted on 10/04/2008 8:41:19 AM PDT by GWMcClintock (Right after Lib Democrats, the most dangerous politicians are country club Republicans. T. Sowell)
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To: Publius804
Republicans have long since abandoned the truly "conservative" principles the Party formerly stood for. Were this not so, then much could have been done during the time they had control of both houses of Congress, and even more could have been done during the time when not only that was the case, but they alsohad control of the White House. Most (not all, certainly, but "most") Republicans pay lip service to pro-life causes, in order to mollify the Religious Right (such as is found here on the FR Religion Forum, of course), but they're not very serious. Again, if they were inclined to do more, Congress, while under a Republican majority with a Republican sitting in the White House, could have done something as clearly authorized to them as to invoke Article 3, Section 2, Paragraph 2 of the Constitution to remove the Supreme Court from its own arbitrary precedents in the matter of abortion. The text reads: "In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make."

Seems simple enough. And it is. But, being Statists first (with their Democratic allies) and true conservatives only when they can get away with the title through misguided public perception, they were more than content to not upset the apple cart.

In virtually every other instance, they have only differed from their Democratic "opponents" in degree, not kind. Has "conservatism" been at play economically in this country since the 1994 Republican epiphany? No. Government spending has soared beyond any prospect of control, pork-laden programs have exponentiated, and the current "bailout bill" is replete with more of the same - even in a dire economic emergency, these crooks can't resist pushing for pork in order to promise their votes. Democrats and Republicans are equally guilty in this!

No! The time has come so seriously consider the formation of a viable party that truly considers the will of people in "flyover country," who are currently virtually ignored by both parties, equally content to dismiss them as they jet from coast to coast in pursuit of personal gain.

We've been played for suckers for far too long! I think it would be a great idea for people tending to vote Republican in states where they have no chance of winning anyway (such as Massachusetts, my own prison) to vote for the Constitution Party candidate, or some other person worthy of their vote, and send a message, replicated millions of times throughout the country, that the "rubes" are dissatisfied. In states where the Republicans have no viable chance anyway, this is an easy thing to do, with no "negative" electoral vote implications whatsoever, and it will send a message that cannot be ignored.

With each passing year, the RNC takes us more and more for granted, even while changing the Party's platform incrementally away from those of us in the Religious Right. Their "wisdom" in choosing candidates at the conventions is equally suspect, as witnessed to in their pick of that arch-conservative John McCain. Stop settling for the crumbs these entrenched, power-hungry insiders condescend to leave us! Either send a message that the backpedaling will not continue in the Republican Party, or make it clear that the Party will lose the very base that it has assumed will always be there through the formation of a new one. But, clearly, it is time to do something. The trend, in the long-term, is not on our side. Do it for your children. But do it now!

10 posted on 10/04/2008 8:47:47 AM PDT by magisterium
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To: narses

Catholic ping


11 posted on 10/04/2008 8:50:41 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Sarah: "It was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. " Rich Lowry)
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To: spintreebob
Three elections later they are still praying about it.

I guess God doesn't want their opinions counted.

12 posted on 10/04/2008 8:50:55 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: spintreebob

Remember when the Pro-Life Party in New York State refused to endorse the 100% Pro-Life Conservative Party candidate and ran their own—who siphoned off enough votes to prevent the Conservative candidate from getting more than the Pro-Choice Republican Party candidate? (Had the Conservative Party candidate gotten the second most votes behind the Democrat, it would have made the Conservative Party the second major party and the second line on the future ballots!)

I have volunteered for Pro-Life groups, provided pro-bono consulting, donated to them...but no more, unless I find one that differs from my past experiences. I have found them to be rather leftist in many areas. If they were strictly anti-abortion, then that’s better than fighting capital punishment, etc.


13 posted on 10/04/2008 8:58:22 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: MHGinTN

If “vote Republican even if they will lose to the Democrats” is an acceptable position, then why not “vote for a truly conservative candidate even if he will lose to the Democrats?”


14 posted on 10/04/2008 9:00:32 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: MHGinTN

Remember Lot.


15 posted on 10/04/2008 9:10:13 AM PDT by whipitgood (Illegal immigration: Let's roll!)
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To: Gondring

Senseless verbiage. How can you know the Republicans will lose? Your double negative-laden offering is beneath your usual offerings.


16 posted on 10/04/2008 9:10:54 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Did you read the whole article?


17 posted on 10/04/2008 9:12:54 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Publius804

Most “double poxers” are disaffected Democrats who have become so disgusted with their party they’ve given up. “Their party left THEM.” Yet, they cannot bring themselves to vote Republican because their parents never did.


18 posted on 10/04/2008 9:16:24 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Publius804
We need to keep up the fight - politically AND culturally.

Especially culturally.

Politically without culturally is how dictators operate.
Cultural leads to political in a democratic system.

We MUST return to the idea of individualism, that each individual has a right to self-determination and that the infanticide is removing those rights. If we keep growing the idea that some outside force can know better than ourselves how to run our lives or what's best for us, then we go down the slippery slope toward someone else choosing life or death.

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| I vote PRO-CHOICE...the CHILD's choice! |
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19 posted on 10/04/2008 9:18:16 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: MHGinTN
Your double negative-laden offering

huh?

typo? there's no double negative (perhaps that's not a misplaced hyphen in your statement)?

20 posted on 10/04/2008 9:21:03 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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