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No 'Yahweh' in songs, prayers at Catholic Masses, Vatican rules (more detailed info)
CNS ^ | August 12, 2008 | Nancy Frazier O'Brien

Posted on 08/12/2008 1:40:53 PM PDT by NYer

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To: MEGoody

I don’t see any reason not to respect the feelings of Jews, it hurts no-one.


21 posted on 08/12/2008 2:11:23 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: irishjuggler
Sorry, pal, no can do. "Participation" is a protestant thing. We reserve the right to pray and reflect quietly.

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No singing at all would be fine.

22 posted on 08/12/2008 2:12:22 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: netmilsmom

Those lyrics are too complicated.


23 posted on 08/12/2008 2:13:13 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: netmilsmom

Do they sing this at some masses? The only place I ever heard it sung was at Girl Scout camp.


24 posted on 08/12/2008 2:14:15 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: tiki

Some of the liberal Catholics would find” Jailhouse Rock” acceptable.


25 posted on 08/12/2008 2:16:26 PM PDT by Radl
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To: MeanWestTexan
I objected to it in my parish 20 years ago! I told the priest that if I heard it again, I'd be forced to inform the feminists that it's clearly a masculine form! ;-)

Didn't hear it again there! A small victory, but I savored it.

26 posted on 08/12/2008 2:21:08 PM PDT by maryz
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To: RonF
Once upon a time the Catholic liturgy was beautiful. The music was beautiful and dignified and people did sing. Even when the words were in Latin. Then came the change and the churches emptied out. So did the seminaries and convents.
27 posted on 08/12/2008 2:21:14 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: MeanWestTexan
The correct pronunciation of the tetragrammaton is unknown. It is only permitted to utter that name in the Holy Temple; since we do not have a Holy Temple today, that name is never uttered. Instead we substitute “Adonai” (my Master) whenever the Y-H-V-H appears in the prayers.

Does that have scriptural support or is it tradition ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
28 posted on 08/12/2008 2:23:04 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: tiki
I don’t see any reason not to respect the feelings of Jews, it hurts no-one.

I don't see any reason not to use the name of our Father in heaven especially since observant Jews do not attend Catholic services, and so, could not be offended by songs sung there.

This is silly political correctness.

29 posted on 08/12/2008 2:23:47 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: irishjuggler
You must be too young to remember when Catholic churches had 3 masses on weekdays and 7 masses on Sunday and the church was well attended for every one and people did participate and sing. That's what missals were for. So you could participate.
30 posted on 08/12/2008 2:25:09 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: MeanWestTexan
Since when is following the Law political correctness?

Oh hogwash. The law of God does not say we cannot say His name. It says we cannot say His name in vain. It is not vanity to use the name of God in songs of praise to Him.

Besides, observant Jews don't attend Catholic services, so they would not be offended by songs sung there.

This is political correctness at its silliest.

31 posted on 08/12/2008 2:25:42 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: Radl
Since there are probably not too many Jews attending Mass what’s the big deal?

Exactly. This is ridiculous.

32 posted on 08/12/2008 2:26:18 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
OBAMA

33 posted on 08/12/2008 2:27:07 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: MeanWestTexan

Wow! That is amazingly informative. Thanks!

Personally I have seen “G-d” written that way here on FR. It’s just not natural for me. I stick with “Our Lord” and everyone gets who I’m talking about.


34 posted on 08/12/2008 2:27:26 PM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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To: tiki
I see no need to use an Old Testament name for God in Catholic liturgy.
35 posted on 08/12/2008 2:28:18 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: tiki

Actually, we used to sing it at my home parish in Berea Ohio during the “guitar mass”. I haven’t heard it in a while because it has become the red light for cheezy in liturgical music.

Although, here in “Innovation Central”, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear it coming from a neighboring parish.

I’m in an historically Catholic church. The farthest we go is “Holy, Holy, Holy”!


36 posted on 08/12/2008 2:30:40 PM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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To: NYer
I asked this on the other thread...

"For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven..."

At my church, they omit the "men" and say "For us and for our salvation..." Is this some new "PC" thing?
37 posted on 08/12/2008 2:32:42 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: MEGoody

>>This is political correctness at its silliest. <<

Personally, if it’s not Historically Catholic to use it, skip it, IMO.

We say, Our Lord, or Heavenly Father. Using that word was made vogue my the hippies of the sixties. BAH! It’s like my lesbian sister who sees no problem with her lifestyle, calls herself “Marian” and always writes G-d.

This is the least of my worries. If the Vatican says not to use it in the Holy Mass, good on them. I’m not adding it in.


38 posted on 08/12/2008 2:34:48 PM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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To: Miss Didi

That’s called using “inclusive language” and yes it is very PC.

The GIRM gives the offical language of the Holy Mass. Nothing is to be added, changed or omitted. The Vatican is cracking down on it and depending on your Bishop, you should see a change.


39 posted on 08/12/2008 2:36:29 PM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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To: NYer
The bornagains will say the Pope's making himself God.

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Anyway, this is bad news for Marty Haugen, isn't it?

40 posted on 08/12/2008 2:37:38 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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