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No 'Yahweh' in songs, prayers at Catholic Masses, Vatican rules (more detailed info)
CNS ^ | August 12, 2008 | Nancy Frazier O'Brien

Posted on 08/12/2008 1:40:53 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 08/12/2008 1:40:53 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
At Chicago-based GIA Publications, another major Catholic publisher of hymnals, no major revisions will be necessary, because of the company's longtime editorial policy against use of the word "Yahweh."

What would it take for all parishes to switch over to GIA and drop OCP's hymnals until they come into compliance.

2 posted on 08/12/2008 1:42:12 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

Some Jews consider the entire text of the Torah to be God’s real name.


3 posted on 08/12/2008 1:45:51 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

In that case, if He’s got a phone, I hope it’s an unlisted number.


4 posted on 08/12/2008 1:47:43 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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...the policy, which dates to 1986, was based not on Vatican directives but on sensitivity to concerns among observant Jews about pronouncing the name of God...

"I-- I'd had a lovely supper, and all I said to my wife was, 'That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.' "

5 posted on 08/12/2008 1:48:57 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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. . .was based not on Vatican directives but on sensitivity to concerns among observant Jews about pronouncing the name of God.

Oh good grief. Political correctness gone wild. This is not a good sign for the direction of the church.

6 posted on 08/12/2008 1:49:33 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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So is this taken to be a Commandment violating improper use of the name?

Or is this a style change?

Since the practice will be permitted to stand for at least another year because of the publisher’s new edition already being at the printer’s, it doesn’t sound like the Church finds it to be an unforgivable sin.


7 posted on 08/12/2008 1:51:19 PM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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This has got me scratching my head. Does this mean I was wrong to believe that Catholics followed the same God as Jews and Protestants?


8 posted on 08/12/2008 1:58:03 PM PDT by Berosus (I already have a Messiah, I'm looking for a new president.)
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To: MEGoody

Since there are probably not too many Jews attending Mass what’s the big deal? My God (Or Yawheh whatever) it wasn’t too long ago they tried to tell them who they could classify a saint.


9 posted on 08/12/2008 1:58:03 PM PDT by Radl
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My cell phone number is 4.





I was an early adopter.

10 posted on 08/12/2008 2:01:05 PM PDT by Petronski (The God of Life will condemn the Chinese government. Laogai means GULAG.)
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To: MEGoody

Since when is following the Law political correctness?

Stating that particular name of G-d is disrespectful to G-d, according to the very Word of G-d.

Disrespecting G-d, even in worship, is a bad thing and should be avoided by reasonable people.


11 posted on 08/12/2008 2:01:52 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan ("Jesse Jackson was an important figure; paving the way for Osama bin Laden to appear" -- Dan Rather)
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To: NYer

Can we ditch this too...

Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya

Someones singing lord, kumbaya
Someones singing lord, kumbaya
Someones singing lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbayah

Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya
Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya
Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya

Someones crying, lord, kumbaya
Someones crying, lord, kumbaya
Someones crying, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya

Someones praying, lord, kumbaya
Someones praying, lord, kumbaya
Someones praying, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya

Someones sleeping, lord, kumbaya
Someones sleeping, lord, kumbaya
Someones sleeping, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya


12 posted on 08/12/2008 2:02:06 PM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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Even when the new hymnals are out, "it may take time for people to get used to singing something different," he added in an Aug. 11 telephone interview with Catholic News Service.

It would be nice if Catholics got used to singing, period. Every time this Episcopalian has attended a Catholic Mass I've been just about the only person not sitting in the Choir loft who's been singing.

13 posted on 08/12/2008 2:02:22 PM PDT by RonF
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To: netmilsmom

Oh Lord...”kumbaya.”


14 posted on 08/12/2008 2:02:55 PM PDT by Petronski (The God of Life will condemn the Chinese government. Laogai means GULAG.)
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To: Berosus

No, someone there looked up and read the Old Testament and what it says on this matter.


15 posted on 08/12/2008 2:02:55 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan ("Jesse Jackson was an important figure; paving the way for Osama bin Laden to appear" -- Dan Rather)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Thank you!
Makes perfect sense.


16 posted on 08/12/2008 2:02:58 PM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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To: RonF

We sing.
We sing as loud as we can and when we do, others around us start to sing too.

I teach my children that if they can blare out the songs from HSM or Hairspray, they can give their all for Our Lord.

Best to lead by example. That’s the way I think of it.


17 posted on 08/12/2008 2:05:06 PM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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To: RonF
It would be nice if Catholics got used to singing, period.

Sorry, pal, no can do. "Participation" is a protestant thing. We reserve the right to pray and reflect quietly.
18 posted on 08/12/2008 2:07:27 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: Petronski

LOL! Yeah, that one!


19 posted on 08/12/2008 2:07:51 PM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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To: netmilsmom

From Askmoses.com:

The correct pronunciation of the tetragrammaton is unknown. It is only permitted to utter that name in the Holy Temple; since we do not have a Holy Temple today, that name is never uttered. Instead we substitute “Adonai” (my Master) whenever the Y-H-V-H appears in the prayers.

Since we do not have a Holy Temple, we substitute “Adonai” (my Master) whenever the Y-H-V-H appears in the prayers.
When the Messiah comes and rebuilds the Holy Temple, he will once again teach us how to pronounce G-d’s holy name.


20 posted on 08/12/2008 2:08:52 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan ("Jesse Jackson was an important figure; paving the way for Osama bin Laden to appear" -- Dan Rather)
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