Posted on 06/30/2008 1:02:53 PM PDT by sevenbak
The recent attacks from a number of sources on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) reek of the same prejudice that, in the past, we have often seen used against Jews, Catholics, Muslims, and many others. This kind of behavior needs to be identified and condemned for what it is: religious intolerance and blatant bigotry.
These attacks on the Mormon Church have come in three forms: preaching, publications, and video presentations. Honoring the freedom to speak and preach from the heart, the National Conference takes issue with using the pulpit, any pulpit, to promote misleading, distorted, false and/or bigoted views of any religious body. An example of such a distortion is the growing use and presentation of two videos: "The Godmakers" and "The Godmakers II". These videos, developed by an anti-Mormon group intent upon vilification and hatemongering, are designed to misstate, malign, and encourage the hatred of a well established group of Christian believers and they ought to be repudiated by all people of good will...
...As people of good will, we in the National Conference of Christians and Jews join with our national leaders in the condemnation of any attempt to use one's first amendment religious freedom as a smoke-screen behind which one might hide while engaged in actions which must rightly be named as religious bigotry.
(Excerpt) Read more at adherents.com ...
Heresy must be brought to light, no matter how distasteful.
St. Paul never shied away from preaching what was right, nor should the church.
Jesus constantly preached what was right, how can his bride do any less?
Christian leaders think differently.
Yeah, whatever...how you feel knowing that Obama is considering Harry Reid for his VP spot and McCain is probably going to choose Mitt Romney for his?
All religions are not created equal.
Joseph Smith did exactly what Muhammed and Warren Jeff’s did. Proclaimed himself a prophet and used it to gain power and sex.
LOL! Care to read the official positions of the various churches on the LDS?
Official positions and what one does with them are two different things.
The actions of many here have clearly been condemned by Christian leaders.
I’m in agreement with you.
There’s a difference b/w being “Christian” and Biblical in some cases, and this is one of them.
Mormonism is a Christian heresy.
“LOL! Care to read the official positions of the various churches on the LDS?”
And that counts for what? Various Christian churches take stands, and change them, pretty frequently. Around 50 years ago you’d be hard pressed to find a Protestant church that took a lenient stand on divorce or believed birth control was anything less than an abomination. Now divorce is more common among Protestants in the Bible Belt than among secularists on the east coast, few have more than two kids and many are taking liberal stands on homosexuality.
Given a couple of decades the only church that won’t be as liberal as the Lutheran Church of Sweden will be the LDS Church.
For the last several months there have been many attacks upon Mormons here on FR. Its difficult to understand the thinking of behind these attacks. The Mormons have every right to worship as they see fit. They arent out to force slavery, bodily harm or worse on anyone. Save the anger for those that are trying to ruin civilization.
Those same Jewish Priests went on to kill numerous early believers. Jews still maintain Jesus was NOT Messiah and still detest His name. We believers still belive in Him and hope to witness our faith to Jews today (as well as to Mormons.)
Claiming himself a Prophet and decrying Christianity an abomination of the "true faith" have set the LDS claims up for questioning especially from those of us who know a bit about our faith.
This is NOT anti-Mormon as much as it is pro-Christianity!
Yeah, but MOrmons are an easy target because they take the teachings of Jesus very seriously about loving one’s neighbor as well as forgiving.
If people condemn Mormons and mock them they won’t declare fatwas on them.
“The actions of many here have clearly been condemned by Christian leaders.”
As rjsimmon pointed out, not St. Paul. (Or St. Peter, or even Jesus.)
All religions are not created equal.
Brothers Billy and Jerry did exactly what Muhammed and Warren Jeff’s did. Proclaimed themselves a prophet and used it to gain power and sex.
"...designed to misstate, malign, and encourage the hatred of a well established group of Christian believers and they ought to be repudiated by all people of good will. "
Why do so many radio preachers and would-be experts on religion spend so much time condemning Mormons yet ignore the dangers of atheism, humanism and the growing influence of Islam?
That ws Jimmy.
Or the homosexual agenda that is creeping into so many faiths.
It’s time to take a stand together, or as Ben Franklin said at the signing of our great Constitution:
“We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately.”
““We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately.””
True, the militant secularists of the far left see no difference between a devout Mormon and a devout Catholic or Protestant.
Walter Martin devotes extensive space to the Mormon sect in his “Kingdom of the Cults”.
The book was first published in 1965, when Mr. Martin was Director of The Christian Research Institute, San Juan Capistrano, California.
True. But I would put homosexuality up there with one of the greatest evils of our time. Nations do not survive when they endorse such debauchery. God is not mocked, and would have us serve Him or be swept off.
What happens to us is our choice.
My recollection sure doesn’t jibe with yours. Which radio preachers are would-be experts are condemning Mormons/ignoring atheism and Islam?
I can think of many who do the opposite (Bill O’Reilly is an easy one to think of, although he is not a preacher) and not one who does as you say.
I am not LDS, but I have many friends that are and have the utmost respect for their unequaled sense of community and the personal integrity they bring to the practice of their faith
Yup, him too!
The Activism sidebar is reserved for News/Activism of the FR chapters.
Not this.
Thanks for the reminder. My bad. I wasn’t sure what 4th category to put this in.
That cartoon would fall under this category:
“The recent attacks from a number of sources...”
I see.
I guess I didn't ask a question just the right way for you.
I'll try again.
Is the video, "The God Makers," available at the link Cartoon banned by the Mormon church, the primary example of "attacks on the Mormon Church" that the article you cite seeks to address?
Are you a Mormon?
Walter Martin was also a descendant of Joseph Smith (I suppose there are thousands of those...).
How anyone can believe a new religion completely based on the word of Smith... I’ll never know.
According to Romans 1 a society which follows after polytheism eventually ends up promoting homosexuality. Americans since the ‘60s at least have followed many different gods of their own making, hence we are in the position we are in.
LDS doctrine, deep down, is explicitly polytheistic...and it will end up eventually in the same place as more thoroughly degraded beliefs, according to St. Paul.
This is the LDS message. The true teachings of Jesus were changed. His followers abandoned the true faith. The true church that Jesus instituted was withdrawn from the earth, leaving behind nothing but a counterfeit. This false church — false Christianity — reigned unchallenged for nearly two thousand years until Joseph Smith restored the true church — the LDS Church — to the earth once again.
Now, what does that mean in regards to all those who call themselves “Christians” who do not presently accept Joseph Smith’s restored church? We may talk about Jesus Christ, but according to Mormonism, our faith is false. It’s based on the corrupted teachings of Jesus which finds expression in millions of apostate churches all over the world.
It seems the LDS Church itself has no problem whatsoever with name-calling and labeling - anyone who opposes their teachings are anti-mormon, and so in the same vein, I think THEY are anti-Christian.
Will this be the post that finally gets me banned for speaking the truth?
Ask the Episcopalian faithful...
Nothing like posting "breaking news" threads from the 1990s to keep all of us vigilant.
Got anything on the Minnow making its return run from Gilligan's Island? (I'd thought I'd heard they make it back to the mainland on one of those intermittent sequels, but those are broadcast so hit & miss that I missed that one)
That is really interesting! There are likely millions, considering polygamy. In fact I dated a direct decesndent of Smith’s in high school!
Ah, tolerance, satan’s greatest ally in spreading his deceits. Was Jesus being tolerant when he used a whip on the money changers in His Temple? Perhaps we can get for the complaining mormonism apologists some cheese to go with their mormonism whine.
The worst things ever said about the mormon church were said by their own leaders in a day when information was hard to come by. It is not bigotry to point this out.
"Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet...When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go." (History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409) - Joseph Smith: founder, prophet, seer, and revelator of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Details, details...
We are not here to argue facts...
Sorry, your assertion has been tried too often already, so your effort is laughable at best ... prove your assertion of ‘attacks on mormons’.
Then get back to us on that...
Excuse me, replace the second vicious with virtuous...
I'm sure it won't...
...but then again, I thought these pig-hosing posts were confined to the Religion Forum. LOL
Maybe this post-and-run tactic can be used to get a protected thread category in the News/Activism Forum.
In His day it helped get him crucified.
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12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
17Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
18And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
19Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
20Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
21And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
22And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Matthew 23: 12-27
Why, why.... you're just an anti-anti-mormon bigot. Free speech for thee, but not for me, - - I see???
I've seen threads on FR based on ten-year-old stories called "trolling"...especially those that seem to have the intent of causing dissension.
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