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In Spite of Cardinal George's Directions, St. Sabina Website Continues to Spout Political Nonsense
Catholic Citizens of Ilinois ^ | 05/31/2008 | Catholic Citizens of Illinois

Posted on 05/31/2008 9:38:46 AM PDT by boromeo

In spite of the the instructions by Cardinal George to stay out of politics, Rev. Michael Pfleger and the St. Sabina Church website continue to broadcast the same political and partisan nonsense that has characterized Pfleger's bizarre career in the priesthood. "Senator Obama has spent the past two years and years earlier in his political life presenting America a vision of hope. Hope as to who we can be, how we can be inclusive and different, how we can do politics differently, and how we can build a new and better America. This vision of hope has set a fire of enthusiasm, excitement, and involvement across this country. Reverend Wright, as a gifted preacher in the prophetic tradition, has spent his ministry identifying the sins, problems, and stumbling blocks of racism, sexism, classism, poverty, inequality, and the down right lies that must be acknowledged and eradicated if we are to build a new and better America. He has given hope to masses of people who have come to feel invisible in America. The truth is we need both!" To view St. Sabina's website, go to http://a.saintsabina.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: archdiocese; chicago; pfleger; sabina
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1 posted on 05/31/2008 9:38:46 AM PDT by boromeo
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2 posted on 05/31/2008 9:40:02 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: boromeo

Sounds good to me. Too bad Pfleger can’t appear on national TV as Obama’s leading supporter.


3 posted on 05/31/2008 9:40:53 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: boromeo

“In Spite of Cardinal George’s Directions, St. Sabina Website Continues to Spout Political Nonsense”

Hmmm, looks like the time for talk might be coming to an end.


4 posted on 05/31/2008 9:43:18 AM PDT by Grunthor (The GOP would be better off LOSING then electing McCain. - MNJohnnie)
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To: Grunthor

The Archdiocese has had 30 years to discipline him, and they’re just too scared of the Democratic Party to do it. They know that no one who spouts left-wing politics will EVER have their IRS status challenged (on the other hand, if he were a conservative, it would be challenged and the diocese would have silenced him decades ago).

The Chicago Archdiocese, including its clergy, is probably full of “Catholics” who are more Democrat than Catholic in any case, and whose political allegiance is the strongest thing in their lives.


5 posted on 05/31/2008 9:46:38 AM PDT by livius
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To: boromeo

It’s put up or shut up time for Cardinal George. May God give him strength to silence this agent of satan.


6 posted on 05/31/2008 9:53:12 AM PDT by Antoninus (John 6:54)
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To: livius

Your post is probably in the top two as far as my problems with the Catholic church and why I could never be a Catholic.


7 posted on 05/31/2008 10:02:00 AM PDT by Grunthor (The GOP would be better off LOSING then electing McCain. - MNJohnnie)
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To: livius
The Chicago Archdiocese, including its clergy, is probably full of “Catholics” who are more Democrat than Catholic in any case, and whose political allegiance is the strongest thing in their lives.

I lived there for two years, and was a regular churchgoer at that time (St. Mary of the Angels). Your statement is VERY true.

The best thing that can be said about Cardinal Jellyfish, er, George is that he isn't Bernadin.

8 posted on 05/31/2008 10:06:29 AM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: livius

That’s why I am not catholic anymore


9 posted on 05/31/2008 10:32:19 AM PDT by lookout88 (Combat search and rescue officer's dad.)
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To: livius

Cardinal George is basically a good man who inherited a dreadful mess from his predecessor, Cardinal Bernardin, who may have been the single most destructive force in the Catholic Church in America after Vatican II, not excluding such idiots as Rembert Weakland.

What do you do when probably a majority of your priests are trouble makers of one sort or another? Fire them all? Then who will run the parishes and say Mass?

But you have to draw the line somewhere, and it seems to me that Fr. Plfleger has crossed that line repeatedly. I don’t envy Cardinal George his job.


10 posted on 05/31/2008 10:36:27 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Can. 287 §1 Clerics are always to do their utmost to foster among people peace and harmony based on justice.

§2 They are not to play an active role in political parties or in directing trade unions unless, in the judgement of the competent ecclesiastical authority, this is required for the defence of the rights of the Church or to promote the common good.

11 posted on 05/31/2008 11:20:22 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Grunthor

Believe me, I have to look beyond these things (mostly, “these things” are the awful bishops) all the time in order to stay in the Church.

Two great sayings: “The road to Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops;” and “So many wolves within, so many sheep without.”


12 posted on 05/31/2008 11:27:08 AM PDT by livius
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To: Clemenza

That’s true - and Bernardin set a very low standard! Just about anybody could have surpassed it!


13 posted on 05/31/2008 11:28:12 AM PDT by livius
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To: Cicero

Thanks for the info. I agree with you about Bernardin (who has practically been canonized by AmChurch - or would be, if they even believed in the supernatural).

Most of the priests no doubt are bad or at least borderline, and I think Cdl George probably thought this spectacularly bad guy would burn himself out, leave voluntarily, and save him the trouble. The problem is that people like that rarely do.

Bishops (and, subsequently, archbishops and cardinals) are usually chosen from the go-along-to-get-along guys, and we are seeing what a great idea this is now. We had some actively bad bishops in the US - among whom I count Bernardin - and their weak successors simply don’t know what to do or how to handle these situations. So they hunker down and hope it will all go away. But it never does...


14 posted on 05/31/2008 11:33:01 AM PDT by livius
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To: lookout88

Sorry to hear that. IMHO, it’s actually Pfleger who’s not Catholic, and may never have been. Don’t let the phonies drive your decisions. Prayers for you.


15 posted on 05/31/2008 11:36:45 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: lookout88

You probably live in a lousy diocese, too. I don’t live in Chicago, but I live in a diocese with an awful, weak bishop who is very left-wing, sort of passive-aggressive in his behavior, opposed to the Latin Mass and any liturgical directives that come out of Rome, terrified of offending the powerful clergy who have been here longer than he has, weak in dealing with clerical misbehavior (if it involves one of the favored liberal clergy), unable to deal with the bad situations he took over from a lax bishop with a 27 year reign, and generally doing nothing but planning on turning out the lights in the local Church when he leaves.

We still get converts, but I don’t know how. Obviously, they read and understand what the Church really is. But at the local level here - and probably where you live, it’s pretty pathetic.


16 posted on 05/31/2008 11:37:39 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

I am upset that my religion has come to this. My priests are gay, or they are extremely feminine. I have just sadness over the situation.


17 posted on 05/31/2008 11:42:40 AM PDT by lookout88 (Combat search and rescue officer's dad.)
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To: boromeo

Cardinal George has always been too chicken to deal with any problem priests in the archdiocese.


18 posted on 05/31/2008 11:43:06 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: lookout88

What diocese do you live in, if I may ask?

The gay clergy thing is a definite problem, but it all comes from the bishop, who is either (a) gay himself (as in my former diocese of Santa Rosa) or (b) weak and terrified of the gay mafia. It takes a very strong bishop to fight this.

JPII, whatever his many virtues, was a weak administrator and appointed weak administrators as bishops. We’re inheriting the accumulated problems of many decades now.


19 posted on 05/31/2008 12:48:42 PM PDT by livius
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To: boromeo

Time for Rome to step in.


20 posted on 05/31/2008 4:02:54 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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