Posted on 05/27/2008 10:29:23 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
Lord Bridey: That single-mindedness is consistent with your posting character.
God I hope so.
I pray fervently for the strength and single-mindedness to bow and kneel and pray to and seek guidance from Jesus Christ alone, the only mediator between God and men.
As I said before, you were first to reference statues and relate bowing to them.
I could just as well say to you now, "Don't make this personal by saying I am making this personal when you are incorrectly making this personal."
"Making it personal" is calling individuals nasty names or attributing motives to people which are not in evidence or mind-reading.
Please stop making this personal. Discuss the issues.
See, that's a good example of "making it personal," in addition to making quite a bizarre comment that makes no sense.
Your implication that I worship my FReeper name, a literary character from an 80-year-old novella, is akin to me saying you worship Judith Anne.
If, accoring to you, I worship a billboard, do you worship yourself?
Hopefully you see now how your comment is both "making it personal" and quite peculiar.
Any poster here can read for him/herself, and certainly, each will.
Context, when quoting another poster, is crucial to understanding. It is to be hoped that everyone will read the entire context, if there is a question.
Making it personal is against the rules. Referencing literature that has been on the open market for decades is not making it personal.
Since you've been shown to be wrong in your assertion that my post #128 was the first post to bring up bowing, it would help if you simply admit the error and continue on rather than repeat the error over and over.
I didn't bring up bowing; Judith Anne brought it up in post #99, 29 posts before mine.
lol. You didn't just "reference" anything. You said...
"I bow to no one but Christ. Certainly never to a phony literary invention that wasn't even human in the mind of its creator. I refer, of course, to the shabby, faded billboard.
So you're clearly "making it personal" here by saying I somehow "bow" to a billboard! As if that even makes sense. lol.
I don't mind these assaults, however. I'm happy this thread is getting the additional bumps.
Did you ever notice that protestants tend to ping the entire cult when they make a post? I guess they feel all alone, otherwise.
Yes, I have, a small cliche of the usual suspects. It just adds to the sense that there is a lack of sincerity and honesty and they are just playing for the attention of their fellows.
Catholics do the same. They have their ping lists as well. Interestingly, I've (non-Catholic) been on the receiving end of a few of them. It's equal opportunity behaviour.
Post 128 was a question about bowing to statues. I reiterate: I bow only to Christ.
Please cease making this personal.
Thanks for the bump to the thread.
Hysterical. I'll concede your point. It was never mine but I am not going to belabor the issue.
By the way, speaking of literary characters, are you aware that my FR name is also a fictional character? It comes from "Brideshead Revisited" by Evelyn Waugh. If you have never read it I really think you would enjoy it. It is superbly written and there are ample amounts of Catholic mockery that I think you would appreciate.
I just notice a few of the more antagonistic Proddies get pinged by a few of the more antagonistic consistently, as in " hey, the game is over here", or " watch this". I think it is a very small cliche that find that hobby so enjoyable. I really haven't noticed you in that particular grouping.
I never get pinged to anything except the Wednes. papal addresses.
Here’s an interesting article about 20/20 investigating sexual abuse in the Baptist Church. If you read the article, some Baptist ministers convicted of sexual abuse are still listed as available for positions as ministers! Evidently, they haven’t learned....
http://www.abpnews.com/2076.article
Benjamin Cole, an Arlington, Texas, pastor commented in the article:
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Southern Baptists watched as Catholics scrambled to respond to the growing crisis of predatory clergy but were “far too busy noticing the splinters in our neighbor’s eye when motes were lodged in our own,” he said.
“We can no longer claim ignorance or indifference to this crisis,” Cole said. “It remains to be seen how aggressive our efforts will become to protect those who are most defenseless in our churches.”
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Amazing....
Here’s another fascinating article:
Sex scandals in free-church pews
http://www.getreligion.org/?p=3512d
FTA:
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The problem is real. And there are also very real legal problems facing those who want to clean the situation up, complications that are different from those facing, for example, Roman Catholic reformers. I have been interested in this topic for some time and here is a piece of a Scripps Howard column from five years ago:
“The incidence of sexual abuse by clergy has reached ‘horrific proportions,’ ” according to a 2000 report to the Baptist General Convention of Texas. It noted that studies conducted in the 1980s found that about 12 percent of ministers had “engaged in sexual intercourse with members” and nearly 40 percent had “acknowledged sexually inappropriate behavior.”
Sadly, this report added: “Recent surveys by religious journals and research institutes support these figures. The disturbing aspect of all research is that the rate of incidence for clergy exceeds the client-professional rate for both physicians and psychologists.”
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Quite a high percentage....
Here’s an article from Christianity Today that is VERY eye-opening:
Sexual Abuses Issues in the Church; Raising the Bar
by Gregory Love and Kimberlee Norris
http://www.christianitytoday.com/childrensministry/articles/sexualabuseinthechurch.html
A quote from the article:
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Unfortunately, the problem is growing.
In the last three years, an average of 23 new articles each day have appeared in secular media sources revealing sexual abuse allegations arising in Protestant churches in the United States. Protestant denominations have been tempted to call sexual abuse a “Catholic problem”; this is simply not true. Within the past eight years, verdicts, judgments, or settlements exceeding hundreds of millions of dollars have been levied against Protestant churches for sexual abuse allegations arising from children participating in ministry programs.
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Children. Hundreds of millions of dollars. Epidemic proportion.
This is a very long article, but worth reading.
LOL What do you do, keyword "devil" and use the verses that come up as a cudgel? IMHO that is an inappropriate and shameful way to use holy scripture.
No, I have actually read the Bible a few times.
When you pray using idols, you are worshipping devils, even the devil known as the 'Queen of Heaven' (Jer.44:18-19), AKA, the Roman Catholic 'Mary'
No, Mary, the Mother of Jesus is not the same queen of heaven that Jeremiah refers to. They were not making sacrifices to Mary.
No, Mary, the Mother of Jesus is not the same queen of heaven that Jeremiah refers to. They were not making sacrifices to Mary.
And the RCC isn't praying to Mary the mother of Jesus either.
Who they are praying to is the same Queen of Heaven of Jer.44, now named 'Mary'.
In Acts 19:27 she was called 'Diana' and had idols dedicated to her as well.
Okey dokey
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