Protestants and Sola Scriptura

Catholic Net ^ | George Sim Johnston

[NYer]

Saturday night ‘food for thought’ ping!

[swmobuffalo]

This what the second or third such epistle in the last couple of days?

[vpintheak]

Say what you want. No where in the Bible, whatever version you have, does it say obey the Pope. No, my salvation rests solely on Jesus Christ no matter what any human may say.

[gusopol3]

St. Augustine, usually Luther's guide and mentor, ought to have the last word about sola scriptur

by what right "ought" Augustine have the last word? Now, no "circular arguments pointing to himself (NYer or some other party not mentioned in the Bible) as an infallible authority telling him that it is so."

[proudtobeanamerican1]

or worship Mary for that matter?

[workerbee]

[Moonmad27]

I agree with you. All the proof I need is that in his epistles, Paul claims to have argued with Peter and seemed proud that he apparently won; clearly Peter in those early days wasn’t the sole authority. And I always think that they saw things a lot more clearly in the early days than we do now from a “distance” of 2000 years.

[MrLee]

“my salvation rests solely on Jesus Christ no matter what any human may say.”

Amen!!

[Huber]

I thought that the other thread today http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2010419/posts was much more interesting because of the way the reformation protestant author painted himself into a corner by emphasizing the sola scriptura tradition of the reformation.

[Amendment10]

Consider that Jesus' disciples studied from the same scroll version of the OT Scriptures that Jesus did. However, also consider that regardless that the disciples "knew" the Scriptures, the disciples, including the Apostles, still failed to correlate events in Jesus' life and ministry that they had been eyewitnesses to with scriptural prophecies concerning the first coming of the Messiah. This is evidenced by the fact that Luke 24:44-45 tells us that the risen Jesus had to open his disciple's minds to scriptural prophesies that he had fulfilled after the fact.

Also note that John 16:12-15 tells us that Jesus' Holy Spirit opens our minds to scriptural truths today, just as Jesus had done with his disciples.

The bottom line is that Protestants, Catholics and anybody else can memorize the Holy Bible. But if you resist the power of Jesus' Holy Spirit to open your mind to who Jesus is and to understand scriptural truths, then you are no better off than 1 Corinthians 1:18-19.

John 3:16
Revelation 3:20

[Wonder Warthog]

"No where in the Bible, whatever version you have, does it say obey the Pope."

"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" (Matthew xvi, 19).

"The prime minister or chief steward of the house of David had successors. He is described as being "over the household" and "in charge of the palace" (Isa 22:15; 36:3; 1 Kings 4:6; 18:3; 2 Kings 10:5; 15:5; 18:18); as for his authority "what he shall open, no one shall shut...and what he shall shut, no one shall open" (Isa 22:22; Matt 16:19; Rev 3:7). The prime minister had an incredible amount of authority, what can only be called a supreme or plenary authority beside that of the King. This is the language of the "keys," "binding," and "loosing" that Jesus was using in Matthew 16:19. Peter was given the "keys" just as the prime minister had the "key to the house of David" (Isa 22:22). And this is important in seeing the parallel to Matthew 16:19 -- the prime minister was an office of dynastic succession (Isa 22:19,22). In other words, when the prime minister or chief steward died, another one would be selected to fill the office and take his place. Jesus recognizes the office of prime minister or chief steward ("manager" NIV) in his parables, as one who has been placed in charge and set over the household (Matt 24:45ff; 20:8; Luke 12:42; 16:1ff; cf. Gen 41:40ff; 43:19; 44:4; 45:8ff).

Peter was appointed the "chief steward" of Christ's kingdom by Christ himself. Christ was the kingly successor of David.

[Question_Assumptions]

I think that absolute inerrancy is not only unsupportable (given the variances in the early manuscripts that we have, no matter how minor) but a fundamentally dangerous idea. If you want to understand why I call it dangerous, read Bart Ehrman's book Misquoting Jesus. Regardless of whether you accept his arguments (I think he often makes a mountain out of a mole hill, myself), the problem is that Ehrman built his faith upon a belief in absolute inerrancy and had his faith, not only in inerrancy but in Christianity itself, shattered when he realized that there were variations in the manuscripts from which modern Bibles are produced. A faith based upon absolute inerrancy is a faith build on a flawed foundation, and unnecessarily so, in my opinion.

[ROTB]

BTTT

[Radl]

I think someone said it doesn’t mention the Trinity either. Forget how others worship. God loves them all.

[Tao Yin]

The Protestant teaching that the Bible is the sole spiritual authority--sola scriptura --is nowhere to be found in the Bible.

That's false. The apostles said to stick to what they said and wrote. Since we can not hear them speak anymore, we have to stick with what they wrote. QED

I know the Catholic Church tries to say that we need to listen to their words, but I follow an apostolic church not the Catholic Church.

No where in the Bible does the idea of apostolic succession appear. The apostles said there weren't any secret teachings and they specifically said to teach what they taught in public.

The Bible says that we will not be orphans because of the Holy Spirit. Easy to understand. Listen to the apostles and we're not alone because of the Holy Spirit.

Besides, the Catholic Church's authority does not go back to Peter, but back to Clement, the fourth Pope. He wrote a letter and no one complained. Later Popes used Clement as case law. That's when this whole mess started. Interestingly enough, Clement's letter talks about salvation through faith alone. Even more interesting, Clement's letter talks about the phoenix as if it were real.

[thefrankbaum]

No where in the Bible does the idea of apostolic succession appear.

Just curious...why did they appoint someone to fill the place of Judas? Why is Paul's name Saul until he recieves the laying on of hands?

[sasportas]

Cain and Abel foreshadow all religious conflict. Cain killed Abel. The Papacy, like the Pharisees before them (who killed the prophets), Matt. 23, killed those who chose the scriptures over the Pope. The Papacy persecuted and killed thousands upon thousands.

The Pharisees were the Cain of the OT, the Papacy the Cain of Church history. It doesn’t take a masters degree to figure out who best represents Cain.

[SoothingDave]

The apostles said to stick to what they said and wrote. Since we can not hear them speak anymore, we have to stick with what they wrote. QED

FYI, "QED" is not the abbreviation for "begging the question."

[the invisib1e hand]

logic is not the strong suit of the evengelical. well, I take that back. It actually takes a herculean torture of logic to remove the Church from the Faith.