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To: Harrymehome
That's a hard question, in several books I've read no one agrees. Between trying to figure out different things including Caesar's reign ... this may be around 30-33 AD although a couple others put it around 27 AD. Yet the 'AD' means after death and that has confused me. I thought with this 'AD' method the count started after he died.

I'm no scholar just a reader, for me it could be 2,008 years ago or even 1,978 years ago or somewhere in between. Which ever it is I know he died for me to cleanse me of my sins and I am redeemed by his act. He is 'the way, the truth and the life', he is my king and my savior and my salvation. He conquered death for you and me so we too may live in God's House.

Have a Happy Easter.
3 posted on 03/23/2008 8:02:35 AM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: K-oneTexas
I thought with this 'AD' method the count started after he died.

Nope. Common misconception. It means "Anno Domini", in the year of Our Lord.

4 posted on 03/23/2008 8:05:21 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: K-oneTexas

First let me give you a little crutch you can use so you won’t get all the calendars confused. The year zero really doesn’t exist. It’s just used to make calculations. The zero concept comes from the Gregorian calendar of 1752AD. This fictitious year 0 Gregorian, corresponds to -1 Julian which corresponds to 3760 Hebrew. If you are reading material that is dated before 1752, then it is most probably a Julian date. If you want to convert it to Gregorian, just add 1. Best to use a calendar converter, however, because before zero Gregorian, the calendars don’t track the same. I use Fourmilab converter and it’s a free download.

I am very positive it was the year 30 AD. I will give you many Biblical reasons why I believe that to be so. You must promise me however, that you will forget, at least for the duration of this study, anything you have ever been taught about this subject. If not, you will be very confused because traditional teachings don’t agree with the Bible and instead twist it’s meaning. Let’s proceed.

First, Easter is not the original name. the original biblcal name is Passover. I’m not going to go into where the name Easter comes from. Let’s call it by it’s proper name Passover. Passover can in turn have several connotations. It can mean the day the lamb was killed, or it can mean the passover meal, or maybe even Passover week. The passover lamb was sacrificed on a date, which does not always fall on a Friday. The Hebrew date is the 14th of Nisan.

Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

Now if you go to a calendar converter and convert 14 Nisan to 26AD Julian, 27 Ad, etc. to 33AD Julian, you will find that the only year that falls on a Friday is 14 Nisan 3793 (3 April 33 AD). For several Biblical reasons that I will present, it is not possible that the actual day was a Friday. First reason is that Herod died before the year zero (which is equivilant to -1 Julian). The year zero does not exist since there was not a calendar for that year. The year zero ia a by-product of the current

Gregorian calendar which originated much later around 1759 AD. The point is that Yeshua had to be born before Herod’s death. My studies place Herod’s death in -4 Julian. Most historians always place his death before zero or -1 Julian. Now we have one major point that makes a Friday crucifixion doubtful. Let’s continue to the next point.

If we look at:

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

If Yeshua died on a Friday, then he would have told a lie in the above verse. And we know Yeshua can not lie. The maximum is 2 days and 2 nights with a Friday Crucifixion. Let’s continue.

If you go to Matt 28:1; Mark 16:1,2; and many others, you will see the phrase “first day of the week”. The first day of the week is Sunday. Everyone agrees with this concept. I don’t. Before the Authorized version of the 1611 King James was
written, the two original sources were the Casiodoro de Reina version (of 1569) and
another called the Ciprano de Valera (1602). Those two original versions, which now form the King James, both say “first of the Sabbaths” and not “first day of the week” as was changed and now appears in the King James and all other current day translations. The “first sabbath” means the first weekly 7th day sabbath during the count of the Omer. There are 7 weekly sabbaths before Pentecost. Some King James versions say in Luke 6:1 “… second sabbath after
the first ….” which correlates perfectly with all other ancient texts concerning the counting of these weekly sabbaths until Pentecost. The original Greek says the same. The Latin Vulgate (400 AD) says “primam Sabati” which means the same, first of the Sabbaths.. The original (not the translation) and most ancient (200 AD) Aramaic Pashita says the same. Check all these out for yourself on the Internet or a local Bible store. With this in mind, if we go back 3 days and 3 nights from Saturday (Sabbath) we get to a Wednesday Crucifixion. Now we go back to our calendar converter and find a Wednesday crucifixion is possible on 14 Nisan 3790 (5 Apr 30 AD Julian). Now if we go back 33 years, his age, from 30 AD, we arrive at his birth in -5 Julian. This is in accord with the later death of Herod in -4 Julian. Let’s continue.

Assuming that 30 AD was the year of his death, then three and one half years prior to his death, in 26 AD was his annointment. This was also the 15th year of Tiberius (Luk 3:1) Y’hshua was 30 years of age. This annointing of Messiah fulfilled the end of the “seven and sixty two” weeks or 69 weeks (literal 483 years) of the 70 weeks in the 490 year prophecy (Dan 9 :24-27). Note in verse 27 “in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,”. Not only was it the year 30AD in the middle (26 to 33) of the last and final 70th week. But it was also a Wednesday which falls in the middle of a literal week. Let’s continue.

All Jews currently celebrate Pentecost on 6 Sivan. It is a date. Not a day of the week. The first Pentecost was when Moses received the 10 commandments on Mt. Sinai. If you go back 50 days from 6 Sivan in 30 AD you arrive at the first day of the 50 day count which was 16 Nisan 30 AD. That day was a Friday. The day before the 15th a Thursday. It was a High Sabbath, the Feast of Unleavened Bread when they ate the Passover meal after sunset (keep in mind that a 24 hour day begins at sunset) . Yeshua died 3 or 4 hours before on Wednesday, 14 Nisan and was buried (Lk 23:54) just before sunset at which time begins the 15th High Sabbath feast day, a day of rest.

Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their…

Let’s continue.

The second temple was destroyed in 70 AD. We read: the Talmud records the following in Yoma 39b:

“During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white; nor did the westernmost light [of the Menorah] shine; and the doors of the Hekal [Sanctuary] would open by themselves, until R. Johanan b. Zakkai rebuked them, saying: Hekal, Hekal, why wilt thou be the alarmer thyself? [meaning: predict thy own destruction] I know about thee that thou wilt be destroyed, for Zechariah ben Ido has already prophesied concerning thee: Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars.”
Yeshua was crucified on the Passover before this began to happen. The Encyclopedia Judaica states that Yeshua was crucified in 30 AD.

http://www.yashanet.com/library/temple/temples.htm

Let’s continue:

As mentioned earlier, the 6th of Sivan is Pentecost on the Hebrew calendar. In the year of Yeshua’s crucifixion, 30 AD, Pentecost was on a Friday. The Holy Spirit appeared early that morning just before 9 AM

Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

Yeshua had been with the apostles the previous 40 days.

Act 1:3
To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

Regressing from the day before Pentecost, that being the day he ascended (5th Sivan), we count back 5 days, plus 29 days for Iyar, plus another 6 days back inclusive from the 30th of Nisan, brings us to 25th Nisan as the 1st day, of the 40 days, when he arrived. The question arises “Where was he prior to the 25th of Nisan”? The answer is for 8 days he was in the heavenly sanctuary preparing for his priesthood.

Lev 8:33 And ye shall not go out of the door of the tabernacle of the congregation in seven days, until the days of your consecration be at an end: for seven days shall he consecrate you.
Lev 9:1 And it came to pass on the eighth day, that Moses called Aaron and his sons, and the elders of Israel;
Lev 9:4 Also a bullock and a ram for peace offerings, to sacrifice before the LORD; and a meat offering mingled with oil: for to day the LORD will appear unto you.
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Still regressing, we count 8 days back from the 25th (inclusive, since that is the day he appeared), and that brings us to the Sunday (18th ), just after sundown of the First Sabbath (7th day weekly Sabbath). That Sunday was the 1st day of the 8 days of his absence on earth.

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

Regressing still 2 more days from the 18th and we arrive to the 16th. The is the day of the wave sheaf offering which is the 1st day of the counting of the Omer until the 50th day of Pentecost.

Fits like socks on a rooster.

Most people believe Yeshua died on a Friday in 33AD. That Friday was on 3 Apr and corresponds perfectly with the Hebrew date 14 Nisan 3793 which is the killing of the passover lamb. At first glance, all seems to fit. However, we come across a big stumblingblock if we go back 50 days from the 6th of Sivan, the actual Hebrew date of Pentecost.

Let’s continue.

(16June -6 Julian) (30Sivan3755) Elizabeth conceives John the Baptist

See:
http://www.hebroots.org/hebrootsarchive/9710/7Feasts.html http://www.yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/articles/index.php?page=born_on_sukkot&type=10)

(6Dec. -6) (25 Kislev 3756 (Chanukah - Festival of Lights)) Mary conceives
Luke 1:26 “...sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent...” Note: This means
the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy. John 8:12 “...I am the light of
the world...” John 12:46 “ I am come a light into the world....”

Blessings in your search for TRUTH


6 posted on 03/23/2008 2:46:04 PM PDT by Harrymehome
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