Posted on 03/16/2008 10:00:56 PM PDT by DouglasKC
SABBATH VS. SUNDAY: THE REST OF THE STORY
'Deception': Christians
war over worship day
Two thousand years after Jesus walked the Earth, Christians are at war with each other concerning – as strange as it may sound – a day of the week mentioned in the Ten Commandments.
The issue boils down to: "When is God's Sabbath?" In other words, what is His holy day of rest?
Most Christians today think it's Sunday, when the majority of churches hold services.
But others confidently say it's Saturday, calling Sunday worship "the most flagrant error of mainstream Christianity," believing Sunday-keepers are victims of clever deception.
Some high-profile evangelical pastors such as California's Greg Laurie say it's simply "wrong to set Saturday apart as a special day for worship."
Today, some high-school sports teams refuse to play in state tournaments for the sole reason the events are held on Saturday – what they say is God's Sabbath.
In the beginning ...
There are seven days in a week, but historians have no consensus about the cycle's origin, since it has no basis in astronomy.
The Bible, though, indicates God created the Earth and its life forms in six days, and then rested on the seventh.
"And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it." (Genesis 2:2-3)
Biblically speaking, the first six days of the week had no special name. They were simply identified by ordinal numbers, such as the first, second and third day. But the seventh day was given
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Thanks Chris...
Hi Chuck, here it is...but it only allowed excerpting...
This is a very important and watershed article.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
I agree. It's pretty fair and it's nice to see that.
It is the only commandment not repeated in the New Testament. Jesus never taught anyone to keep the Sabbath. The apostles never taught anyone to keep the Sabbath.
I can deduce from this that Greg Laurie does not believe that
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
Jesus (Yah'shua) is a part of the Godhead with YHvH.
God bless those who regard Sunday as holy.
God bless those who don't regard any day as holy.
God bless those who regard all days as holy.
We get into problems regarding disputable issues such as what days are holy when Christians start judging other believers who they disagree with. In fact, not only does Romans 14:4 tell Christians not to judge other servants of the Lord over disputable matters, but the verses immediately following bring up the example of holy days, essentially leaving individuals to follow their God-given convictions as to what days, if any, are holy.
Also applicable, 2 Timothy 2:14 warns Christians not to quarrel over words because such quarrels discourage those who are seeking the truth in Jesus. In other words, don't be a stumbling block for those who are seeking the truth in Jesus by arguing which day is the Sabbath.
Jesus didn’t like washing his hands before eating either.
Or was the Sabbath made for man?
One more question; who was it that posed answers such as these when he was accused of breaking religious law?
Correct, that would make it Sunday, Jewish time.
The Sabbath was given to the Jews for a sign.(Ezek.20:20).
There is no Christian sabbath day.
We all find out who’s rght when we’re dead. ;-)
If you were familiar with the Holy Word of Elohim,
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
you would know that the washing before meals was not from Elohim
but a Tradition of Elders. See Mark 7:3; Matthew 15:
Is WND becoming a refuge for every kooky Christian cult? First they give Hal Lindsey his own column, now this? What next? Perhaps it will become a forum for Oneness Pentecostals and modalists to correct the Church about the true nature of deity.
Heck of a thing to call a “war” when the majority aren’t even concerned about the dispute.
It seems clear that Jesus was bucking this tradition, and I believe demonstrably that he was wrong.
Yah'shua was wrong ?
The creator of the universe was wrong ?
b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
Oh my goodness, do you know what you have said ?
Frightening what passes for Biblical schoarlship these days. It's almost like some people WANT to rip apart the truth. For 2,000 years it was understood Christ died on Thursday and rose on Sunday. What point is there to denying this truth, other than to train us to keep our eyes off the bigger heresies?
Could that be WND's intent?
Romans 12:1 (NIV) - Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship.
You’re welcome to your beliefs. But I wouldn’t try to co-opt the franchise of another faith and hammer it to my own ends.
Or was the Sabbath made for man?
One more question; who was it that posed answers such as these when he was accused of breaking religious law?
Yah'shua was rebuking those who would put man's Traditions Mark 2:27
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
above the Holy Word of Elohim.
Something less than 1683 years.
b'SHEM Yah'shua
Yes, and in Jesus we have the first day of the new Creation, we are Christians,and are not under the Jewish Law. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
NAsbU Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate;b'SHEM Yah'shua
for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction,
and there are many who enter through it.
AMEN! That's how I learned it as a child.
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
If that were true, the bible would not instruct us not to let anyone judge us on new moons, sabbaths or festivals.
How do you deduce that?
We have 2000 years of not perfect but nevertheless faithful Christian scholarship telling that Jesus transformed the day of rest/worhsip from the old covenant last day of the week to the new covenant first day, and a small group of neo-judaizers with no organic roots in the community of faith wishing to tell us something different. And we are supposed to take them seriously because they assign the label “anti-Jewish” to the thought.
Amazing.
How do you deduce that?
If Yah'shua (Jesus) is a member of the Godhead So to say that Jesus did not command itYHvH commanded from Genesis to rest on Shabbat
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
and the creator of the universe
and the Word of God
He commanded it as well.
is to say that Jesus is not G-d!
Is WND becoming a refuge for every kooky Christian cult?
Yeah, I thought this new thing was a little odd.
The writer, Joe Kovacs, is the executive news editor for WND. Is this topic really news worthy or has Joe Farah become an old covenant sabbatarian?
Indeed. In the original laws, people were not even to leave their homes on the Sabbath. Apparently the day of going to worship and the day of rest do not need to be the same day.
It can also be argued that the day of Saturday was selected by human beings based on a calendar designed by humans, which has, by the way, changed over the millenia more than once. Therefore, God's actual day of rest could just as easily have been Wednesday as Saturday. (Seems to be a good reason for God to say that we should not let anyone judge us based on new moons, sabbaths and festivals.)
So to say that Jesus did not command it is to say that Jesus is not G-d!
I haven't read or heard the context of what you quoted Greg Laurie as saying, but I have heard other of his teachings and sermons. It is more likely that he is saying that the day of worship doesn't have to be on Saturday. I doubt very much that he is saying Jesus is not part of the Godhead.
No you can't.
You can try, but you won't succeed.
Christians do not need to follow “old testament” customs and practices.
Sunday is celebrated because it is Resurrection Day.
See 29 above
What else was Christ wrong about?
The Didache shows the first Christians gathered on Sunday to worship. Good enough for me.
Sez who ?
Rather, he justified the plucking and hand threshing activity! By your style of legalistic reasoning, that would have made him leading them into sin --- or decietfully covering the sin after the fact.
So what now?
Here we have Jesus and his followers, breaking the law...
technically, that accusation coming from the fleshly, legalistic minded pharisees, could be correct.
To explain that what His disciples were doing wasn't against [the spirit of] His Father's law:
He referenced David going into the house of God, eating the showbread, and giving it also to those with him. Was He saying it was ok to break the *law* of not doing any work on the Sabbath, and that of not eating what is set aside for the preists, as long as one was hanging around with Himself, or his flesh and blood ancestor David? We don't believe that for a second, do we?
Further, to make this more clear, he explained that man was not made for the Sabbath, but that the Sabbath was made for man. I'll have to deduce that you just don't understand the meanings of man not being made, for the Sabbath, judging from your own words.
Is it because it's too simple? Or is it that it's beyond fleshly, legalistic comprehension?
I'll suggest, that it is because of both.
Sorry man...
But you just don't 'get it'! But then again, I knew you wouldn't, even before posting to you, the first time.
They were however violating man-made Traditions. Were Yah'shua followers breaking a Elohim given law ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
Galatians 2:21 and me.
The core of the Didache was written by the Apostle Paul himself, in collaboration with Barnabus.
That said, within the NT framework, his treament of the "Geresene swine" is slightly puzzling. These were someone's pigs, and I'd be loathe to deny anyone their livlihood by driving them over a cliff. There's no mention of compensation (parctical as opposed to spiritual) about this.
But my agnosticism as to Jesus is not tied to the fact that he could err. God The Father seemingly erred in His intitial judgment of Man as in His relationship to Noah and The Flood, and when Moses argued with God as to the lot of the people over the Golden Calf.
But be that as it may, given the Christian part of my upbringing, I would still opt for Saturday as the Sabbath.
All Good....
bttt
Then sin and let Grace abound.
Can you provide a scripture that will identify Sunday.....as resurrection day.....in the Greek?
[Colossians 2:16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days
Here is what we know from scripture. In verse 8 the Apostle is speaking of what? Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. He is talking about traditions. Are these God's traditions? No....they are men's.....and he explains these are rudiments of this world!
So....it is evident the Apostle is speaking of "man made" traditions and "man made" law....because as he says in verse 14: Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. Now....what are these ordinances? Are they the Ten Commandments? Are they God's Laws?
Ordinances: Strong's #1378 dogma (dog'-mah) a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical) decree, ordinance.
The Greek identifies "Dogma" or Dokeo as the word for the ordinances the Apostle is referring to.....man made law! Dogma is not The Law of God.
So Paul is telling these previously pagan, Gentile citizens of Colosse about Holy Days, New Moons and Sabbaths. And he is telling these converts to Christianity to ignore any criticism from anyone with regards to the observance of same Holy Days, New Moons and Sabbaths. Why do you think he would instruct these folks in how to celebrate these Holy Days, New Moons and Sabbaths if they had been done away with.....and the folks of Colosse had probably never heard of them anyway?
Prove that it isn’t.
Christian morality, inclusive of the need to live life in accordance with moral absolutes, derives from Christ directly:
no "old testament" necessary.
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