Posted on 02/07/2008 7:57:05 PM PST by restornu
Thank you for your respect!
Be of Good Cheer!
agreed. It will be nice to see a dissipation in the attacks on Mormons now that Mitt is no longer a threat to some on FR.
Ponder On!
PUH-leeze! The Book of Revelation is a St. John the Devine nightmare which no one can adequately interpret, at least to my satisfaction. It almost never made it into the Bible and probably should have been shelved with the others: "Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Thomas, etc." and others that didn't...
I truly wish "people of faith" would get a grip on reality and realize that the world, like the universe, took a lot longer than six 24-hour periods to make, that Jonah was swallowed by a big fish and lived in its belly for three days, or that Samson couldn't have slew an entire army of Philistines with just the jawbone of an ass...same goes for Jesus coming over the America after his crucification to preach to Nephites or Laminites.
Please ping me to this thread every time. It is the only place where I feel safe on FR anymore. It is safe, right, from the bigots?
Obviously not, see Post #4
I can’t help but wonder how accurate our record of John’s revelation we have is. As it was transcribed (and perhaps translated to Greek) the people doing so must have found the text odd. How many of them thought ‘Oh, that must be a mistake there’ and took it on themselves to ‘fix’ it? How many comments by others became incorporated into the text?
Also, it seems to me that this same revelation has been given to many prophets over the ages. Lehi and Nephi were shown the same revelation and told to leave John to make the record of the most part of it. Moroni said he saw our day, and he might have seen it to the end as John did etc. etc.
Another thing I recently noticed linking Nephi and John’s revelation is in Rev 2-3 John mentions the ‘tree of life’ and also of the ‘synagogue of Satan’ ie: church of the devil. Even though Nephi and John related the experience in very different ways, there is overlapping imagery.
And just so you are aware, I don’t know of anyone who thinks that the earth was created in 6 - 24 hour periods. 2 Peter 3:8 tells us that a day equals a thousand years in the Lord’s time.
Very interesting. Some day it all shall be shouted from the rooftops.
***or that Samson couldn’t have slew an entire army of Philistines with just the jawbone of an ass***
You have never met my worthless brother-in-law (If you know him he probably owes you money). When he begins to talk you realize how the Philistines were slain with the jaw bone of an ass.
I saw #4 but it was so mild compared to what I’m used to on FR that it didn’t really offend me.
I have a friend who is a Baptist minister...He is an intelligent man with a doctorate in divinity; but he will tell you that the world is only 10,000 years old and that he believes the Bible to be the literal word of God.
I believe Mitt Romney to be an intelligent person. He is a graduate of Harvard and got into college at Stanford. I cannot in my heart believe that he has not had plenty of doubt about the authenticity of the Book of Mormon.
I call myself a Christian and regularly attend church but I am also a just a bit to the right of John Shelby Sprong in that I believe in God; believe that Jesus was crucified yet, honestly, I am suspicious that everything in the Old and New Testaments are factual.
I did some years ago experience a presence of the Holy Spirit but I believe that it was due to a personal tragedy that I was going through at the time. If there truly is a God, and He is truly loving and forgiving then, then He also must be for everyone; and everyone will get to Him eventually even after death, and religion (which I also believe to be responsible for wars, bigotry, and a lot of the world's misery) was not part of His intention for us.
Do you doubt the bodily resurrection of Jesus as being an actual event in space/time...the same as my typing these lines is an actual event in space/time?
Sometimes. It is facinating to me that born-again fundamentalists, Mormons, JWs, some RCs and others of "pure faith" can be so certain and never admit to having doubts.
See #14
Then you are really an evangelical Christian?
Is that what you’re saying?
Faith is the substance of things hoped for; the evidence of things not seen.
You make a stand on faith. You base your acts on faith. In other words, the faith becomes reality, and you act on that reality.
Doubts are simply set aside as you go about acting on faith.
I'm saying that I don't know...I believe in God (or a higher power) by the evidence of pure logic as I cannot conceive of a universe being created without purpose (through the Big Bang with "someone" lighting the fuse). I believe in a historical Jesus and believe he convinced a lot of folks that he was indeed a deity. I also know that a lot of harm in the world came from people of organized religions and I do not understand how intelligent people (in the case of this thread, Mormons) can blindly accept the dogma and visions of a 19th Century man who was clearly, IMPO, mentally disturbed. (I don't mean that to be disrespectful bigotry, I have had the same discussions with RC's believing in the diety of the Virgin Mary and her bodily assumption into heaven, also with evangelicals believing that a snake actually talked Eve into biting into an apple...I don't really care what people believe; my grandson believes in Santa Claus and Easter Bunny but I still love him.)
The Serpent and Eve.
Without getting into the difference between that creature and a snake, we are left with that story being the basis of “sin entering the world.”
Your last post did not sound like you have committed to Jesus Christ as your king? Is that true?
If you are asking: "Have you been saved?" My answer is I do not know.
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