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To: DelphiUser; colorcountry; FastCoyote; MHGinTN; Pan_Yans Wife; svcw; Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion; ...
Response to 1193: As DU puts it so gracefully, "I am calling you out, start asking others to read and pray so they can duplicate your "Negative answer" experience or admit that you didn't have one.

Put up or shut up time.

I have posted here before that after much study, prayer and fasting, I received a message from the Holy Spirit that the Book of Mormon was not a message from God, that Joseph Smith's "revelation" was not from the spirit of God, and that Christ is the Savior of mankind. That Christ is with me always, and that HE is the only way to salvation through HIS grace, not through empty works or rituals.

This is MY testimony to all.

I invite all Christians to praise Him here, but I don't believe it necessary to "defend" your faith against a challenge from those who are mislead. If any care to take up the challenge of reading the Book of Mormon and asking God its truth, please do so. But be aware that if you receive a message that it is NOT true, you will be told by mormons that YOU failed in some way.

1,204 posted on 11/28/2007 5:56:27 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (I am sitting here thinking how nice it is that wrinkles don't hurt!)
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To: greyfoxx39; DelphiUser; colorcountry; FastCoyote; MHGinTN; Pan_Yans Wife; svcw; Elsie; ...
Put up or shut up time.

Seems to me this testimony business gets way too much attention. I too tried very hard to gain such and truly wanted to believe until finally it was revealed to me that the leaders were obfuscating and actually lying about certain founders of the religion in a very hypocritical way. Apologists came out of the woodwork attacking me for noticing a few things that didn't add up.

I then decided that none of this made any sense. Testimony Shmestimony indeed!

I will not respond to any flaming apologists today either, so please do not post to me.

1,206 posted on 11/28/2007 8:00:55 AM PST by Utah Binger (Sanctimony: Feigned piety or righteousness; hypocritical devoutness.)
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To: greyfoxx39; FastCoyote
You said: Response to 1193: As DU puts it so gracefully, "I am calling you out, start asking others to read and pray so they can duplicate your "Negative answer" experience or admit that you didn't have one.

Put up or shut up time.


You said: I have posted here before that after much study, prayer and fasting, I received a message from the Holy Spirit that the Book of Mormon was not a message from God, that Joseph Smith's "revelation" was not from the spirit of God, and that Christ is the Savior of mankind. That Christ is with me always, and that HE is the only way to salvation through HIS grace, not through empty works or rituals.

I could go the route of some on this forum, and tell you that your message was from the devil appearing as an angel of light, or I could tell you that Satan answered your prayers (you see, I have been told both of those things by anti's), But I do not believe nor have I ever found scriptural support for Satan answering a prayer to God, instead of God.

Instead, I am just asking how did you receive a negative answer? Much fun has been made here by anti's, FC even makes jokes about a burning in his colon, trying to tick us off or some such.

I'm asking you again, how exactly did you receive your negative message?

What exactly were you asking God in your prayer?

What exactly were your preparations for an answer from on high?

Please understand I am not trying to tear you down, but your actions are not consistent with your words here and I as an analyst must either conclude that you have left something vital out of your report, or you have falsified it in some way. I do not like to think that my Christian brethren would lie about something so important to the salvation of the soul, so I ask for more information to help me and any Lurkers to rectify the apparent contradictions of your story with your actions.

This is MY testimony to all.

I invite all Christians to praise Him here, but I don't believe it necessary to "defend" your faith against a challenge from those who are mislead. If any care to take up the challenge of reading the Book of Mormon and asking God its truth, please do so. But be aware that if you receive a message that it is NOT true, you will be told by Mormons that YOU failed in some way.


If your goal is to receive and answer, and you do not, have you not failed?

IF my Goal was to read the Bible and know that Jesus is God, and I stop reading before I finish and don't receive that knowledge, have I not failed?

If you get an answer positive, or negative, you have achieved something remarkable, and it should change your life. I wold expect (logically) that an answer from God as promised in the bible, would change that activities of any who receive it. The truths in the Bible have IMHO changed the course of history for the better. I believe those changes came because God testified of his truth to men and they acted accordingly. I also believe that God testifies of the Book of Mormon. It is that dual testimony from God that motivates me, I believe anyone who receives a testimony from God to any truth will never be the same as they were before they received that testimony.

This is why I challenged you, for if you have truly received an answer from God, you would be encouraging others to go and get that answer, and I have seen no evidence of that on this forum. your words are not consistent with your actions as I have observed human behavior to be when impacted by a revelation. So, either start acting right, or explain, or I will keep asking.

Let me make this clear, I am not trying to browbeat you, I just want to understand, and curiosity is also a powerful motivator for me.
1,207 posted on 11/28/2007 8:05:57 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: greyfoxx39
I received a message from the Holy Spirit that the Book of Mormon was not a message from God, that Joseph Smith's "revelation" was not from the spirit of God, and that Christ is the Savior of mankind. That Christ is with me always, and that HE is the only way to salvation through HIS grace, not through empty works or rituals.

So the Lord distinctly told you that the Book of Mormon is not true in those words?

1,458 posted on 12/02/2007 3:47:58 AM PST by restornu (Improve The Shining Moment! Don't let them pass you by... PRESS FORWARD MITT)
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